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Author Topic: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.  (Read 12589 times)

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Boat loading made easy for me so I don't have to get out.
Not saying this is the safest way but it keeps me out from between the truck and trailer and the dock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT4m8d2E_7c
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2013, 05:20:13 PM »

Definetly not legal in Michigan......DNR officer told me I was good driving on as long as boat was in Neutral once it hit the bunks....
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2013, 10:11:13 PM »

The Michigan law actually reads that you can be in gear but can't go over idle speed on the trailer. I have a copy of the wording I keep somewhere in my boat in case someone needs a reminder...

That is not how I have seen the sheriff deputies at Elizabeth Park enforce it though. They say they have a 'tougher local ordinance' that will get you a ticket if you are in gear once you hit the trailer. I have seen them there in the past writing tickets at the end of a tournament.

Personally, I always think... why don't we ENCOURAGE boating and fishing by building the boat ramps right in the first place. But that's just how I think. Maybe not everyone else...
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2013, 02:37:17 PM »

That is where I got it from was Elizabeth Park...

I also heard they were puting out the same info at the Harley Ensign from Macomb County sherriff....I don't know that first hand though I have a history with Macomb county at that site so I tend to stay away from there if I can... ;D

Can you get me a link to that wording or a scan...?? God knows I may need it some day... ;D
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2013, 07:21:11 PM »

I can get it, but again, if there really is a local ordinance, that may supercede the state law. Especially if you're on a non-MDNR boat ramp. I've never seen a copy of any local ordinance. I asked. But I noticed he had a gun (and a little attitude). I, however, was unarmed... who doesn't like a good power trip once in awhile ;D
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2013, 08:18:04 PM »

You have reminded me of an old issue I never followed up on - the repealing of language in the old administrative rules of language pertaining to power loading on state land?? I have no idea now where it is actually defined anymore. If it isn't actually defined in an order, rule or law somewhere, maybe it's not really illegal?? ;D

(8.1 Repealed. Am. 8, 2002, Apr. 13, 2002
Publisher’s Note: The repealed order pertained to the power loading of vessels at state access sites)

Here is the language that used to be in various regulations such as: REGULATIONS OF LANDS ADMININSTERED BY THE MICHIGAN DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES (there spelling on admininstered not mine)
 - This excerpt contains rules relevant to State Lands, other than State Parks and Recreation Areas. For details on State Parks and Recreation Areas, review the complete regulations, Eff. October 18, 2001. By authority conferred on the Michigan Department of Natural Resources by Section 504 of 1994 PA 451 MCL 324.504.

GENERAL RULES (History: Eff. Oct. 18, 2001)
R 299.922 - Unlawful acts generally. Rule 22 - On lands owned or under the control of the department, it is unlawful for a person or persons to do any of the following:
 - (w) To operate the motor or motors of a vessel at more than idle speed at any boat launch ramp administered by the department, unless the propeller is disengaged.
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2013, 11:50:43 PM »

Been gone a while. Good to know that Michigan has laws against power loading.
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2013, 10:49:46 AM »

They would probably take you to jail for that. LOL
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2013, 02:56:56 PM »

Illegal or not, I've seen plenty of people load their boat like this, albeit not on the throttle for quite so long.
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2013, 07:30:42 AM »

Moto, how much did that set you back?  Do you recall?
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2013, 08:58:40 AM »

That is just wrong. It's why so many ramps are blown out. You don't need to leave it in gear like that. Most bass boats don't need this treatment like his deep V does to keep it on the trailer (assuming the ramp was designed properly).
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2013, 12:02:58 AM »

That last part of yours is the key part - 'assuming the ramp was designed properly. If we designed and built ramps properly we could powerload even if it is minimal - as many modern boat trailers are designed.

It's not like we are building lots of new ramps in Michigan... I have said it many times - they can do it if they want to as they did in Lansing on the Grand River. It's cheaper to spend a little more the first time, dike off the ramp area, pump it out and extend the ramp out to long, flat concrete apron. They can launch the big ole River Queen or whatever it is on that ramp no problems.

It's more cost-effective to build the ramp right the first time than try to buck human nature and modern trailer design, always ending up spending more in the long run on ramp repairs... though they don't do much of that anymore either.

Just another part of my 'master plan' to make Michigan the example of fishing/boating friendly before I die, not the weird outlier no one can figure out or understand...
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2013, 12:48:42 PM »

Loading a big bass boat without being underpower is difficult for me because you have to dunk the trailer so far. Ive seen enough messed up fenders to know I want to use the bunks as a guide and push it on.

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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2013, 07:21:47 AM »

no need to power load if you do two things, buy bumper covering that hold water, second wet the bumpers before loading your boat. Both of these things make the boat slid on better and you do not need to power load it.

Thanks Dan for your copy of what they say about it
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2013, 01:49:29 AM »

Loading a big bass boat without being underpower is difficult for me because you have to dunk the trailer so far. Ive seen enough messed up fenders to know I want to use the bunks as a guide and push it on.

Some trailers are easier to load under less power, and ramp depth and angle have a lot to do with it too.

My trailer is 20 years old and not angled like the newer trailers. It's more flat so that last 2 to 4 feet can be a work out on boat ramps that aren't angled just right even if they're deeper.

Real shallow or real steep ramps are lots of fun, especially when I'm by myself. I sometimes have to make several trips between the truck and the boat backing in a little more or pulling out a little more, and back again. I leave the motor in gear, have a hot foot so it is only at idle but that helps me crank it on that last few feet at many ramps.

I've still had a few people holler at me for 'powerloading' because my motor is in gear. They obviously don't know that actual law - if it still exists in Michigan somewhere - I can't find it anymore on the books though it is being enforced at times so don't go at it anglers and boaters. With so many of our ramps built short and/or wimpy powerloading with lots of force will damage them over time.

Plus, we can't forget Elizabeth Park where they will ticket you even if you motor is just in gear once it hits the trailer. I haven't launched there with my boat in a looooonnngg time because getting it back on my trailer with those short, steep ramps is a multiple truck adjustment, cranking workout that just about does me in for the count now! Plus... I've had my parking brakes line snap there not once... but twice!!! Try that sometime with a big truck camper on the back (especially when I had my old manual transmission by myself!!!!)

Fishing is supposed to be fun, not heart attack inducing... (plus! nothing says 'welcome to our boat ramp' quite like a deputy standing on the dock leaning over staring at the back of your outboard with ticket book and pen in hand ready for you...!?!  ::))

If I go there, I'm going with someone else who has a lower, angled trailer, and when we can use the multiple adjustment buddy system. It is possible in some water depths (especially now if we get a sustained West wind) there to back off that ramp too so be careful there! I've seent it a couple times and it ain't pretty having your axle stuck on the back edge of that concrete...
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2013, 08:24:50 PM »

Too bad Michigan doesn't build their ramps good enough to allow it, but it's what we have for now. Nothing more than an idle.
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2013, 08:36:34 PM »

Yep... We pay 50K for a rig that comes with carpeted bunks, made for power loading, And because Michigan builds short ramps I have to crank up my 22 ft boat with a 250 HP motor with a winch... Just like a row boat..
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2014, 02:41:05 PM »

Just one more project to get them to consider building ramps designed for many modern boats people actually buy and use (not just bass boats either). I still have some say they can't do it but they can AND HAVE done it. They did it in Lansing on the Upper Grand River. It costs more up front but a lot less down the road. For everyone!

All we can do is keep plugging away at getting to know the people who make these decisions better and keep asking them to consider changing with the times...
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Re: Here's how I power load my boat. Not legal in some places.
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2014, 11:47:04 PM »

I'm with you that they need to make some ramps on a lake so you can power load. Just keep after them
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