Fishing License

[Rangerman]

WEll guys all I can say is y'all got great fishing. I don't keep em I just love to catch and put em back after a photo on a good un It's always easy to say let the other guy pay but not me,me,me like Big Dog Yea Toll Road Work look at WV and Ohio Oh Well guess I'll just keep paying my share and half the country on Ole Mexico's way If we stopped some of the freebie programs, cell phones all states could have good road. Here in NC we got beat up roads with pot holes and not a bad winter like you guys." Nobody said life was fair, but even hard if you stupid" Quote John Wayne The only way to stop paying taxes is die  then you family will pay em.

[Got Fish??]

Can't we just all go fishing?

[Skulley]

I could afford to go fishing more if they didn't tax my pension.  

Most pensions are earned over a long period of time. Most have to give up a higher rate of income  as part of the deal. Taxes were paid when the money was earned and the funds are invested by  the company or union just like a 401 or a  stock fund. Do you pay taxes on all of you  investments? For 35 years when all I could afford was some stale old crackers. Nobody cared, now  your jellos of my stale old crackers. Pensions are fixed and usually do not on incease over the years,

This is your answer cameraguy.  You may not have earned a pension like myself and so many others so to you the pension should be taxed.  But when you tax a pension, you force people who have worked all their life for that pension to have to get a job at Walmart or McDonalds.  If the tax on pensions is not repealed by Schauer when he wins in November, I will be moving to a state that doesn't have a state income tax.  You don't tax pensions to give a break to your rich buddies.  And you don't take money from schools to give your rich buddies tax breaks either.

The only thing Snyder has done that's been any good has been to sign SB 869.  That's it!!!  Other than that, he is for his rich 1 percenters and certainly not for us working people.



BD                  

[djkimmel]

FF Jeff, I say thank you for buying Michigan fishing licenses and coming here! Same goes to anyone else who comes here! Besides pointing out the issues of the nonresident license and continuing to ask for monitoring of any possible sales changes I keep reminding them that all of us our paying more now for the 'same' fishing so please let us fish all year. I hope to help at least accomplish that much for now. I'm sure there's more that can be done but that seems like a good start.

[Skulley]

FF Jeff, I say thank you for buying Michigan fishing licenses and coming here! Same goes to anyone else who comes here! Besides pointing out the issues of the nonresident license and continuing to ask for monitoring of any possible sales changes I keep reminding them that all of us our paying more now for the 'same' fishing so please let us fish all year. I hope to help at least accomplish that much for now. I'm sure there's more that can be done but that seems like a good start.

And we all need to fish more.......



BD.                             

[djkimmel]

That one is for sure. That's why I keep working on things I truly hope lead to fishing more...

[Skulley]

And you've done one helluva job I might add!!!



BD.                         

[Firefighter Jeff]

   It will be interesting to see the results of this years sales.  I've learned something else about the change in the licenses.  Here at the North Bayou Resort on Hamlin they sell licenses.  It has become a added burden for the tackle shop.  More people are buying daily licenses.  They are picking and choosing their days depending on the weather etc.  They had one guy come in to get licenses for him and his 4 sons for three days and not in a row.  She had to do 15 licenses. A lot of these are folks from out of state that rent their cottages.

[djkimmel]

I'm not big on making it harder for people to go fishing. I didn't catch that we don't have a 7 or 10 license early enough. But it sounds like there are 1 or 2 possible improvements influential persons are considering. Not counting a longer bass season that we just took one more big step closer to earlier today.

[djkimmel]

Meanwhile... back to fishing

[Firefighter Jeff]

   I'm not complaining.  Just something I heard that I hadn't considered.  People are weather watching also because they don't want to pay for the seasonal.

[djkimmel]

I wonder how many people that would affect how much? I don't expect anyone will have much success lowering the cost but the possibility of avoiding future fee increases is an long term option, while coming up with a 7 and/or 10 day fishing license is a shorter term option for next year maybe. But that only works well for people who come here once a year for one week or less. I would expect 2 licenses would be about as much as a seasonal.

The 24 hour works if you live close by and only fish Michigan 7 or less times. Seems complicated but I guess I could see some people doing that. I have used those kinds of licenses for one day out with a friend in a close by state or province, or maybe a couple quick trips similar to a charter or fishing guide.

The 72 hour license is great for a long weekend. You could even get two long weekends. But if you go much past that you might as well buy the seasonal.

There was a resolution to work towards creating a returning home kind of license for previous citizens of Michigan but by the time all the questions came out, and people added up all the potential issues and challenges for the existing systems it could not get the two-thirds votes to pass.

The idea of reciprocal match was briefly discussed but there's not enough support at this time to get anywhere with that. I think a stable budget for a few years is necessary before many people would look at that possibility for long.

And you can complain if you want... won't change much but maybe it makes you feel better? Of course... someone might complain about you complaining... I saw that get ugly on another forum somewhere... youch!

[6 lb Smallmouth]

It was reported on another site I frequent "out-of-state fishing licenses, which experienced a similar price increase, are down 41 percent. In total, Michigan fishing has seen a 5 percent decrease, according to Golder."

Anybody know if this is true? 

[djkimmel]

Something like that is true. They budgeted for an 8% overall drop in hunting and fishing license I believe.

I didn't see the exact number but it was brought up at a larger meeting not too long ago - I think it was the September NRC meeting - that nonresident fishing licenses dropped farther than expected.

Since us bass anglers and MUCC had brought up various angler concerns and asked the MDNR to monitor and report on this issue it appears they have done so and are now working on possible remedies. The outcome depends on what authority they exactly have and how much they are willing to change to improve the situation. I do recall the NRC asking the MDNR to take action and the MDNR said they would look into it as an important concern.

I'll pass on anything I learn. We have a Conservation Coalition meeting coming up next Wednesday so I hope for some kind of update possibly.