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Title: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: yukonjack2 on January 23, 2008, 09:46:01 PM
I was having lunch in Imlay City on monday, and luckily two US Customs and Border Protection Officers were seated right next to me.  Naturally curious as to the current state of requirements, I struck up a conversation and asked them specifically.  Here is what they said:

If your Boat is less than 31 feet long, and you don't touch ground in Canada - including tying up to a moored boat, or anchoring - fishing on bottom does not count, you have free egress across the border. 

If you do Touch ground, you must abide by candian requirements to enter(he was not familiar with).  Upon return, you must call and check in with US customs  (810)985-9541 #235  for Lake St. Clair and the St. Clair river.  He said there is a Detroit # for the Detroit River and Lake EERie, but did not know it off hand.  He explained they usually just give you a two minute phone interview, and let you go, although if an officer is in the area they could dispatch him to check you out.  So leave enough time in a tourney to make sure you make it back on time.

He did say if you have a passport, have it with you - although its not required.  You do need two things - Picture ID (i.e. drivers license), and proof of citizenship(raised seal birth certificate, or voters registration card.

If there are any specific questions, he gave me his contact info:

Tery Ruff
Chief A-TCET
US Department of Homeland Security
US Customs and Border Protection
2321 Pine Grove Avenue
Port Huron, MI 48060
(810)985-9541
terry.ruff@dhs.gov
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: djkimmel on January 23, 2008, 10:07:00 PM
I was glad to see the passport requirements have been delayed until 2009. I had a couple interesting discussions with US Customs and Canadian MNR at the Novi show. It seems to me the messages are getting more consistent thankfully.

I learned a few things that contradict what we've been passing back and forth as a measure of course, but before I post anything else, I plan to follow up with both sides in a direct conversation on the topics to make sure I remember things right, and therefore pass them along accurately here. Gives me a chance to take notes and make sure I hear the same things again.
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: VinceR on January 25, 2008, 03:18:46 PM
It appears that there will be a lower cost option (than a passport) for when they DO activate the process, available in the near future. The plan is for the PASS (People, Access Security Service) Card or Passport card to be used as an alternative to the passport for land and water travel, and border crossing. It sounds like they are still trying to develop a format that will satisfy all of the security issues.

The proposal is for a plastic, wallet sized card with embedded electronic information (that can be read with a scanner) identifying the card holder's citizenship information. This will be much more acceptable than carrying your passport when you are fishing. I started carrying my passport last year, just to be on the safe side, but would much rather leave it home in a nice secure and dry place. I will be looking into the PASS Card when they become available.

They were supposed to be ready to start taking applications for it in February, but it appears that there may be a delay. You can go here for more information, and to sign up to receive an e-mail notification when they are ready to start taking applications:
www.uspasscard.com.
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: MadWags on January 25, 2008, 07:32:17 PM
Thanks for that Vince
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2008, 08:21:44 PM
As always GLB has the best info from the best anglers around. Thanks Vince. I'm on the list.
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: Dan on January 28, 2008, 05:54:10 PM
I was in the post office today and they said the new passport card paper work was suppose to be in their branch by the first. Just an F.Y.I.
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: Durand Dan on January 28, 2008, 06:49:31 PM
I went to the link and signed up for e-mail notification when they start to issue them
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: bshaner on January 28, 2008, 07:09:14 PM
What ticks me off is that your good ole US Military ID card is no longer considered a valid form of ID for travel purposes. 

B
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: Team houston on January 29, 2008, 08:54:57 AM
For the last couple of years I have kept a laminated copy of my passport in my tackle box. It has all the info and paired with a drivers license I don't expect any problems.
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: VinceR on January 29, 2008, 12:10:24 PM
Actually, Brian, your Military ID is acceptable if you are traveling under orders. If you're not under orders, it is still acceptable if you also have an official copy of your birth certificate.

As for passport copies, Team H, you may want to verify that it is acceptable. It seems that I read somewhere that copies won't be accepted as proof of citizenship. I tried to find it but, couldn't. For fishing purposes, the Border Patrol would probably be the best source for clarification.

Go here for a list of accepted ID:
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/travel/vacation/ready_set_go/land_travel/chnge_in_proced.xml

For 2008, it may not be an issue, but it looks like they want to complete implementation by June of 2009. I'll get my PASScard this year to be on the safe side. Last thing I want is some overzealous officer to give me a hard time when I'm bustin' it to get back in time for weigh-in. I already carry my passport (in a ziplock bag inside of a small, floating "drysack". I want to stop that.

The whole issue here is not identification, but to prove citizenship.

Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: Dan on January 29, 2008, 01:13:29 PM
Just don't tie up to Kimmel's Russian sub buddies and you'll be all right.
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: SethV on January 29, 2008, 01:54:41 PM
Everyone should get a passport anyway.  Not a big deal to get one, and then you don't have to worry about which documents to carry.

It is not hard to get one - even my 1 year old and 4 year old have them.

If you would have trouble and have to take the boat out of the water in Canada (engine trouble, ect) - you would be glad you have the passport.

Seth
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: bshaner on January 29, 2008, 06:14:09 PM
Unless things have change in the last couple of years, I've had buddies who had to get passports to travel when not on orders.  In fact I had one of my guys get held up in Europe for a couple of days because he had no passport.

Maybe things have loosened up since everyone has forgotten 911 by now?

B
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: VinceR on January 29, 2008, 07:30:55 PM
Brian, I think they are referring to traveling by land and water (when they state that a Military ID, with birth certificate are acceptable). A passport is still really the only universally accepted form of identification accepted for non-military (international) air travel.

As I stated above, I carried my passport in the boat all year, last year. However, when the PASScard becomes available, I will get one so that I don't have to carry my passport in the boat. I pretty much left it in there because I didn't want to have to rely on my memory every time I fished Erie or St. Clair. The PASScard (which will be "wallet-sized") is meant to eliminate the need to carry a passport when traveling by land or water. To me, it is particularly attractive for the latter. That, plus for those who don't want to spend $100.00 for a passport, the PASScard will be cheaper (supposedly, about half that).
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: terryruff on March 04, 2008, 01:07:21 PM
I was having lunch in Imlay City on monday, and luckily two US Customs and Border Protection Officers were seated right next to me.  Naturally curious as to the current state of requirements, I struck up a conversation and asked them specifically.  Here is what they said:

If your Boat is less than 31 feet long, and you don't touch ground in Canada - including tying up to a moored boat, or anchoring - fishing on bottom does not count, you have free egress across the border. 

If you do Touch ground, you must abide by candian requirements to enter(he was not familiar with).  Upon return, you must call and check in with US customs  (810)985-9541 #235  for Lake St. Clair and the St. Clair river.  He said there is a Detroit # for the Detroit River and Lake EERie, but did not know it off hand.  He explained they usually just give you a two minute phone interview, and let you go, although if an officer is in the area they could dispatch him to check you out.  So leave enough time in a tourney to make sure you make it back on time.

He did say if you have a passport, have it with you - although its not required.  You do need two things - Picture ID (i.e. drivers license), and proof of citizenship(raised seal birth certificate, or voters registration card.

If there are any specific questions, he gave me his contact info:

Tery Ruff
Chief A-TCET
US Department of Homeland Security
US Customs and Border Protection
2321 Pine Grove Avenue
Port Huron, MI 48060
(810)985-9541
terry.ruff@dhs.gov
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: terryruff on March 04, 2008, 01:27:11 PM
A clarification to message from Yukonjack on border crossing requirements for 2008. Any vessel, no matter of length, that lands/docks in Canada must report via phone to Customs & Border Protection (CBP) in US upon return. This includes vessels that tie up to Canadian vessels or US vessels that have docked in Canada. Vessels that just fish in Canadian waters, do not have contact with land or other Canadian vessels, do not have to report  to CBP upon return.

For your information, US and Canada vessels that over 30', that have docked in Canada are required to purchase a CBP user fee decal.The fee is $27.50.

Terry Ruff
CBP/Port Huron
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: SethV on March 04, 2008, 02:10:31 PM
Terry -

What about refueling in Canada?  If I don't leave my boat or tie up to the dock, do I still have to call in?

I know, splitting hairs, but I don't want to have any trouble.

Seth
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: Eric on March 04, 2008, 04:04:14 PM
Terry,

I think it is great that you have registered and are posting.  There a ton of questions and misconceptions out there.  You clarifying and being active here is awesome and will make things easier.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: MadWags on March 05, 2008, 06:22:28 AM
Welcome Terry Ruff. :)
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: REEL_MAN on March 05, 2008, 09:21:48 AM
Terry,
Welcome aboard, it's going to be good to have someone that is in direct contact with the requirements!  ;D No more he said, they said.

REEL MAN
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: Jighead on March 05, 2008, 01:24:37 PM
Terry,
Welcome aboard, it's going to be good to have someone that is in direct contact with the requirements!  ;D No more he said, they said.

REEL MAN
Yeah...what he said!

;D
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: dashaver63 on March 05, 2008, 04:56:20 PM
Terry, I hope you don't mind but I posted your contact information on another forum site. Ohio Gamefishing Community. There are a lot of charter fishermen and walleye anglers that like to fish Canada and are looking for answers also.
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: yukonjack2 on March 05, 2008, 06:18:38 PM
Terry:   welcome aboard, and thanx for the clarification.  I am sure over the next few weeks as the weather breaks, many more anglers will want clarification of the rules.  I personally am renewing my passport so as not to have any issues.  A few questions that did come up though:

1 - will the new passport card suffice instead of a book passport?
     (card is good for international travel only be land or sea)
      $20 instead of $75 seems like a deal if you do not plan on flying internationally

2 - previously asked - if you refuel without leaving your boat, must you report in?


Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: 1javelin on March 06, 2008, 06:57:28 PM
I need to know what license I will need to fish the DK Open, even though it seems like i remember someone saying we would only be able to fish Michigan waters.  Let me know please.  Thanks

Herman
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: MadWags on March 06, 2008, 09:18:49 PM
Michigan License
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: 1javelin on March 07, 2008, 06:23:58 PM
Thanks reigning champ, now I have been given advice by the winner.  Better look out for me now! ;)

1Jav
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2009
Post by: TritonTR20 on July 13, 2009, 03:42:43 PM
So do I only need a passcard if I live in Indiana and want to fish the canadian side without setting foot on land?
Title: Re: Border Crossing Requirements for 2008
Post by: djkimmel on July 13, 2009, 09:33:49 PM
Do you mean the passport card? If so, then I believe the short answer is yes.

Here is the longer answer. I always want to remind people that this is the information I know to the best of my ability based on research and discussion, but no guaranty and that an officer does have the ability to stop you coming back into US water and assume you have landed, therefore requiring you to have one of the required documents so just be knowledgeable and prepared.

From http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html
ALL PERSONS traveling by land and sea outside of the United States are required to present a passport book/card, or other valid travel documents to enter or re-enter the United States.

The following summarizes information available on the Department of Homeland Security’s website:

    * Effective June 1, 2009, all U.S. citizens are now required to present a passport book, passport card, or WHTI-compliant document (see below) when entering the United States.
      Please Note: Children under age 16 will be able to continue crossing land and sea borders using only a U.S. birth certificate (or other form of U.S. citizenship such as a naturalization certificate.). The original birth certificate or a copy may be used. See the Department of Homeland Security's Ready, Set.. Go! for more information on the changing travel requirements.

U.S.PASSPORT AND WHTI COMPLIANT DOCUMENTS:

    * U.S. Passport: U.S. citizens may present a valid U.S. passport when traveling via air, land or sea.
    * The Passport Card: The passport card is only valid for land and sea travel between the U.S. and Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean region, and Bermuda.
    * WHTI-Compliant Travel Documents for U.S. citizen travel via land and sea, as of January 31, 2008:

          o Trusted Traveler Cards (NEXUS, SENTRI, or FAST)
          o State Issued Enhanced Driver’s License (when available)
          o Enhanced Tribal Cards (when available)
          o U.S. Military Identification with Military Travel Orders
          o U.S. Merchant Mariner Document when traveling in conjunction with official maritime business
          o Native American Tribal Photo Identification Card
          o Form I-872 American Indian Card