Someone explain to me exactly what foul hooking a fish is. Watching the Classic I saw a couple of fish landed with lures hooked up on thier side way behind the gills. I thought for sure those were foul hooked fish.
Maybe the foul hooked thing only is in Califorina ??? I was thinking the same thing. That is until I watched the fish go into the live well. then I was just like Hmmm... Good question Dan
Don L
they have to be hooked in the mouth when you are sight fishing. obviously to prevent people from snagging them. otherwise, as long as the fish makes it to the boat, it dont matter where its hooked. i think it was randy howell who unintentionally snagged a bass in the tail while cranking dirty water in a tournament earlier this year or maybe last year. he may have went on to win that one, i dont remember. I know he won on Old Hickory but dont remember if it was the tournament where he snagged tha bass in the tail.
McCarter himself :-\'
The rules vary by state, a lot of those fish you saw weighed in would not have been legal in michigan sight fishing or not. In michigan a fish must be hooked inside the mouth to be legal. I think the bass rule pertains to sight fishing only.
-Matt
I agree that rules vary by state. Just read the fishing book for 2009 and it states in Michigan "Snag fish or retain a fish not hooked in the mouth" as being illegal. Retain is defined as to keep in possession or use. So weighing a fish hooked outside of the mouth in Michigan is 100% illegal and would mean disqualification for breaking state and local laws. California is another state where this law holds true.
Is in the mouth and inside the mouth the same thing? Just asking.
Nope. This means at least one hook on your lures must be inside the mouth, the hook cannot enter the outside of the mouth and end up inside. Ex) If you hook a fish on a tube through the outside of the mouth inwards it is illegal because the hook has to enter through the mouth and go outwards.
To me in the mouth means inside or outside the mouth. But I guess its an ethics call I'll throw a fish back that's hooked in the tail or back but when you're throwing jerkbaits, cranks, and rattle traps fish just swipe at them and when they jump the hooks can get caught in other areas besides the mouth. Basically its a grey area.
I agree with that.
Its primarily a california thing, all fish must be hooked in the mouth regardless of sight fishing or not, becouse of that I hated throwing cranks in california while fishing a TX.
I found this on the Alabama DNR site:
220-2-.115 Snagging or Snatching Fish on the Tennessee River
It shall be unlawful to take fish on the Tennessee River or its impoundments by pulling a single hook or group of hooks through the water (snagging or snatching), provided said hooks may be so used with bait and/or lures to entice fish to strike or bite such bait or lure. It shall further be unlawful to catch a fish on the Tennessee River or its impoundments by hooking the fish in any place other than the mouth or head. Any fish hooked other than in the mouth or head must immediately be returned to the water from where it came with the least possible harm.
So I guess a lure can be outside the mouth on the river in question
Anyone notice how sneaky Ike was being about it ? Every foul hooked fish he caught he walked away from the camera, keeping his body between the camera and the fish until it was unhooked. Looks like a guilty conscience to me ::)
Quote from: fowlmouth on February 22, 2010, 04:37:40 PM
Anyone notice how sneaky Ike was being about it ? Every foul hooked fish he caught he walked away from the camera, keeping his body between the camera and the fish until it was unhooked. Looks like a guilty conscience to me ::)
Yep, I noticed that!
I noticed that to, I think the tournament was on the Coosa River, not the Tennessee tho. On this topic, I don't see this as a "grey area" as posted above. The law is clearly stated in the handbook. In is defined as "used as a function word to indicate inclusion, location, or position within limits" so in the mouth clearly means inside the mouth, not on, around, or outside the mouth.
Quote from: jgip087 on February 22, 2010, 06:38:04 PM
I noticed that to, I think the tournament was on the Coosa River, not the Tennessee tho. On this topic, I don't see this as a "grey area" as posted above. The law is clearly stated in the handbook. In is defined as "used as a function word to indicate inclusion, location, or position within limits" so in the mouth clearly means inside the mouth, not on, around, or outside the mouth.
The Coosa River is part of the Tennessee system and originates in Tennessee so it should be included in the regulation.
Did not know they were one in the same. In that case I say those fish were not legal.
Didn't anyone see KVD haul one of his fish in the boat on Sunday with the hooks stuck in its back? He said he caught a "couple" that way. He wasn't shy about it like Ike...
I only know that is illegal for sure in Michigan. Must be hooked inside the mouth or throw it back. Not an easy thing to do in a small tournament. I can only guess at the pressure to do it in a really big event though I have seen a few of them do it over the years.
If you tie chicken feathers on your hooks you will catch more fish and every one you catch will be considered fowl hooked. :o
Quote from: MadWags on February 23, 2010, 06:20:51 AM
If you tie chicken feathers on your hooks you will catch more fish and every one you catch will be considered fowl hooked. :o
Here we go again! Are chicken feathers considered live bait? ;D
Not once they're plucked. Hope the sensor doesn't get me for that one.
So if you catch more than one from the same spot on the hook with chicken feathers, are you into a good flock of fish?
Quote from: Fishmael on February 23, 2010, 08:44:17 AM
So if you catch more than one from the same spot on the hook with chicken feathers, are you into a good flock of fish?
This thread is quickly degenerating ;D
cabin fever strikes again. How many more days till we can fish? Where is the count down indicator. Help I've fallen and the snow is cold!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Fishmael on February 23, 2010, 08:44:17 AM
So if you catch more than one from the same spot on the hook with chicken feathers, are you into a good flock of fish?
I think that would be a gaggle of fish. A gaggle is a flock of fish not in flight.
Quote from: MadWags on February 24, 2010, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: Fishmael on February 23, 2010, 08:44:17 AM
So if you catch more than one from the same spot on the hook with chicken feathers, are you into a good flock of fish?
I think that would be a gaggle of fish. A gaggle is a flock of fish not in flight.
But there is such a thing as flying fish, saw them myself down in the carribean.
hey those are knocking on the door to the GLs :'(
Sorry Guys,
A gaggle is a term of venery for a flock of geese that isn't in flight;
OH! So they have to be GOOSE feathers tied on the hook! I am glad we cleared that one up before I got into a good flock and didn't know what to use.
Quote from: Durand Dan on February 24, 2010, 09:59:05 PM
Sorry Guys,
A gaggle is a term of venery for a flock of geese that isn't in flight;
Durand Dan is sending me to the dictionary with his verbosity. I didn't know what "Venery" was and now that I know I am not sure I want anything to do with those feathers. This thread is a bit afflacked. ;D
venery - definition of venery by the Free Online Dictionary ...
ven·er·y 1 (v n -r ). n. pl. ven·er·ies Archaic. 1. Indulgence in or pursuit of sexual activity. 2. The act of sexual intercourse. ...
LOL! :o
Add the feather and fish hooks and you have a rather shocking visual.
Quote from: Dan on February 25, 2010, 11:30:52 AM
Quote from: Durand Dan on February 24, 2010, 09:59:05 PM
Sorry Guys,
A gaggle is a term of venery for a flock of geese that isn't in flight;
Durand Dan is sending me to the dictionary with his verbosity. I didn't know what "Venery" was and now that I know I am not sure I want anything to do with those feathers. This thread is a bit afflacked. ;D
venery - definition of venery by the Free Online Dictionary ...
ven·er·y 1 (v n -r ). n. pl. ven·er·ies Archaic. 1. Indulgence in or pursuit of sexual activity. 2. The act of sexual intercourse. ...
That would explain why they aren't flying.
And I don't think this is the place to be discussing doing that to geese...sheesh... :o
I'm consulting with the forum decency board right now on whether or not this thread needs defenestration...
Quote from: djkimmel on February 26, 2010, 01:17:20 AM
I'm consulting with the forum decency board right now on whether or not this thread needs defenestration...
Please throw it out the window! (defenestration)
Yeah, it really has gone south...however, since it is almost April, I imagine it will start making its way back north soon.
LOL! :D Very well said.