Looking for a baitcast rod for crankbaits. Been reading older post about this topic. I thought I would put it back out there since they were oldposts and some may have different views now. Any feedback will be helpful in my quest.
I have both and prefer the graphite since it is lighter and offers more sensitivity as far as feeling the bait vibrate which lets my know if I picked up a weed, as long as the action is right of course.
Len B.
I am a graphite guy as well, in general, guys that fish more grass tend to like Graphite, but that is just a generalization
Glass hands down. I have lost 50% less fish since going to glass.
I prefer glass. Seems I lose less fish because of the absorption of the rod. I'm not fond of using them with deep diving crankbaits. It's just too much work and strain fishing them. I prefer xd series 5 (and similar) and rattlebaits for glass.
glass just gotta have the right action for the different occasions. if i was going purely for sensitivity, it would be graphite, but after a while you get a feel for the glass and you can tell if things are running right or not.
Think there's much truth to the, with glass having less sensitivity the fish have a better chance of latching on to the bait before you set the hook thought process ????
No. Not really. I used to say that at seminars maybe 20+ years ago. KVD says there's no rod or reel you can get a crankbait away from a bass with IF the bass WANTS that crankbait. The 'kid' seems like he might know what he's talking about...
I was a fiberglass person for many, many years. Over the last ~10 years I started thinking again and switched back to graphite. I prefer it now 98% of the time. Lighter. Easier to feel the bass coming up on your lure about to engulf it. Easier to feel the weeds and snap off of them, getting more strikes.
I'm steadily switching my rods over to Grandt Rods (http://www.grandtrods.com/) because MadWags really liked them and helped design a bunch, they have a lifetime warranty, they're made in the U.S. and because they support the website. Grandt makes some really nice rods.
I recently started using the Grandt All American Pro Series C76M (http://www.grandtrods.com/All%20American%20Pro%20Series%20Custom%20Graphite%20Fishing%20Rods) 7' 6" graphite crankbait rod and I really like it a lot. About as much as my favorite C10.
Despite being a longer fishing rod, it is still light with the right mix of sensitivity and slightly softer action for crankbaits (so those hooks stay hooked better when maybe the bass didn't like your color, size, shape or action quite as much as you do). The C76M looks like a lighter action rod but when you use it for bigger cranks you can feel it has more strength in the butt than you expected.
I can't tell you how good it felt to slam the hooks of my Redeye Shad into that 5 pound Lake Skeg smallie on that fishing rod!! Once it jumped and I saw it was a good 'un I remembered I did not know where Doug's net was, and I had no helper. I sure was glad to see how well the rod fought that fat-bellied toad! It took me a while at the side of the boat to get the beast to slow down enough so I could grab lip without grabbing a handful of treble hooks! Though, not having fished much this year, I had decided if it came right down to it, I was going to grab fish and hooks just to make sure it got in the boat. I didn't know yet that there was another toad under the same log!
I was very impressed with how well such a long fishing rod handled the strike way out there - expected, and then also handled the tense, hard fight at boatside on short line with such a stout, mean, fat smallie!!
The short game at the boat is where quite a few big smallies are lost so when you find a bigwater crankbait rod that handles the short game real good too - we call that 'a keeper.' Me so happy! :)
I value all your feedback and I try to do my homework before making any purchase. I think KVD is one,if not the best crankbait fisherman around. I watch his videos and value his info . Does he accually use his products that he pushes? Rods,reels etc. Cause when i've asked certain questions about rods and reels. No one mentions his product. Always his knowledge. Cause if he is useing that stuff, I think i've found the answer to all our fishing needs....
Kevin isn't known for promoting products he doesn't actually use. Earlier this year, I saw him using the fishing tackle and gear he says he uses.
kvd cranking rods are either full glass or a graphite/glass composite depending on model/year
I just wonder if his personal stash is modified to his needs? He seems like a stand up guy. I use some of his products. I just wondered about the rod/reel thing.Same with skeet reese,rick clunn etc.
i doubt it. reels might be tuned up, but i doubt the rods are any different than what you buy on the shelf.
I've been using a KVD cranking rod for a couple seasons now and really like it. It's light and pretty sensitive for a cranking rod. I have no complaints.
KVD seems to be evolving still on the graphite versus glass rod for crankbaits issue at times. It's not something I've asked him about recently and I haven't seen anything posted real recent on where he stands right now - it appears he is using fiberglass now. I'm sure there's some recent talk from KVD about crankbait rods out there somewhere if you look for it considering how many places he pops up.
From what I saw, all of his fishing tackle and gear seems like stock stuff. I don't know about all his products and I've never asked him that question. I imagine he has been asked about this more than once.
The glass vs. graphite debate will go on forever, since what works best is what feels best to you, and may not be the same for everyone.
One thing everyone needs to remember is the rod & line must work as a combo, providing the right balance of stiffness vs. shock absorption. Close range flipping/pitching can use stiff rods since the hooks are large, with little chance of tearing out. Cranks, traps, and topwaters need more shock absorption to keep those little hooks in place.
I like glass, but not just any. The Seeker BS706S blank is a great choice. It's made of "S" glass instead of "E" glass, so it's lighter and slightly stiffer.
Off the shelf, the bass pro shops Crankin' stick is a real sleeper; a lot of rod for little money.
But you must use a low stretch line with glass, or you'll lose fish. Doesn't have to be braid, but a low stretch fluoro or mono will work great. Many use braid in the spring for rattle baits to help rip them out of the grass.
Go to a major retailer like BP or Cabelas. Pick up any Loomis CB series. This is the chevy truck of crankbaits; it's a standard for flex that many like, and something you can compare to.
Ken makes a couple of great points: the BPS Crankin' Stick is hands down the best crankin rod you can buy for under $75.00. If you don't have any crankin rods, buy a couple crankin sticks and then move to glass (or in my opinion glass/graphit composite) as cash allows.
I saw that g loomis. Looks nice. Would you use medium or medium heavy. I was thinking just medium, maybe 7'. I'll have to see them in person and get a feel.
This might help. I have had all 3- graphite, glass and 50/50.
50/50s really serve a good purpose for spinnerbaits, I could feel the weeds, but didn't lose fish.
Graphite worked great for buzz baits.
I traded for a med 6'8" Lews glass rod for $10 bucks - and wow, I never lost a fish while still making my way through the weeds. If they're thick I go to spinnerbait. But that now my exclusive shallow crank and rattle trap bait rod hands down.
My Razr Med Hvy 7'0" graphite is super sensitive and light and I use it for Deep cranking, but I have a hard time feeling with the DD 22s. Deep cranking is my weakest link, so I don't have much input there.
Thanks for the input MOJO. I was at cabelas today and didn't see alot of glass rods. I was wondering what some other people use (brands). The way it sounds BPS has more. I'll also check the bbc boards
Glass: (in no particular order)
Wright & McGill - Skeet Reese series or Rick Clunn Series
St. Croix Mojo Glass Cranking
Dobyns Champion series Glass
Powell Diesel & Max series
Lamiglass - lots of different models, certified pro and excel are worth looking at
Phenix - glass cranking series
i like the lamiglass blanks, but phenix has a great reputation for making awesome rods. i would like to give their glass sticks a try. The powells and dobyns have great followings as well.
Every other rod manufacturer makes a graphite cranking - rod i think they all suck for cranking ;D but i'd check out castaway, shimano, loomis
I've heard some good stuff on the dobyns. You a graphite guy thedude? I saw the Mojo's, but didn't see the glass ones. I may keep my eye on the boards that way I can get rid of it if I don't like it. There also not bad about returns at most stores.
no - i haven't liked the graphite rods i've tried. especially when it comes to DD baits.
Nice Post The dude !! ;D
Quote from: BIGSHOW on October 18, 2012, 11:01:00 AM
Thanks for the input MOJO. I was at cabelas today and didn't see alot of glass rods. I was wondering what some other people use (brands). The way it sounds BPS has more. I'll also check the bbc boards
HANDS DOWN...KISTLER!!!
I'm with you John
I'm 100% Kistler on the boat these days with no regrets
Kistler was running the Med. 6-6" Glass/composite Mag. for 99 bucks
I bought one over the summer and haven't used it to much, but it does have a soft tip with allot of backbone. And I could feel every thing
I have been using a KVD 7'4" Medium action cranking rod for the last year. I do not throw deep cranks much, but the key to getting them down deep ticking the bottom is LONG CASTS. The composite glass/graphite mix rod will allow you to make longer casts. It all depends what you are using it for. Shallow squarebills and deep cranks require different rods, so there is no "Crankbait" rod that can do it all perfectly. I also think of it like this: with cranks, you want at least one form of a "safety net" so to speak to prevent fish shaking free with treble hooks. Glass rods are one form. So is monofilament line. Since both add shock absorption but reduce your sensitivity, pick one. That is, use a composite glass rod if you use fluro, but if you use mono, use graphite. I think glass/mono together feel too mushy and graphite/fluoro doesnt have enough forgiveness in my opinion for deep cranks. Just my 2 cents.
Glass for me. I've been using glass since the first David Fritts Cranking Rods. These were the ones that were made by Browning. I had two of the original Browning versions, a 6' and a 6'6". I loved the parabolic action of glass. Only slightly heavier than graphit, not a noticeable difference. Certainly not a deal breaker.
I used them until Bass Pro introduced their first Cranking Rod. This one was a fiberglass 7' model. I liked it almost a s much as the Brownings. I tried a newer version of the CrankinStick when they switched to glass/ graphite comp, and didn't like that one as well as the all glass model.
My new hotness is the American Rodsmith version of the glass Fritts Cranking model. It appears to be an almost perfect copy of the original Browning/Lews models. Maybe using updated materials in the reel seat, but the rod blank looks almost identical, right down to the wrap on the guides. This series has also been discontinued (for now).
I have this model in 7' Med/Heavy, with a 7:1 reel (for lipless and smaller cranks), and a 7'11" with a 5:1 reel for DD22 (and other BIG/deep baits).
Oh, and I still have my BP original CrankinStick that I used for buzzbaits and smaller topwaters like a Sammy 100.
From talking to people here and other places thats what seems to be the answer. A well balanced mix of rod and line to get the fish in the boat.
Quote from: jdg279 on October 21, 2012, 11:00:58 PM
It all depends what you are using it for. Shallow squarebills and deep cranks require different rods, so there is no "Crankbait" rod that can do it all perfectly. I also think of it like this: with cranks, you want at least one form of a "safety net" so to speak to prevent fish shaking free with treble hooks. Glass rods are one form. So is monofilament line. Since both add shock absorption but reduce your sensitivity, pick one. That is, use a composite glass rod if you use fluro, but if you use mono, use graphite. I think glass/mono together feel too mushy and graphite/fluoro doesnt have enough forgiveness in my opinion for deep cranks. Just my 2 cents.
Dude - I take that back ........ jdg279 ....... Now that is some great input. I will be putting that to use (once I get some ceramics back in my eyes and get my 100% warranties snapped rods replaced)... Ward has been rather hard on my Rods and the Beaver .....
Quote from: Manxfishing on October 21, 2012, 08:54:57 PM
Kistler was running the Med. 6-6" Glass/composite Mag. for 99 bucks
I bought one over the summer and haven't used it to much, but it does have a soft tip with allot of backbone. And I could feel every thing
I have that rod also and it is my fav. crankin rod.
Check out GRANDT RODS I have been using his glass rods for a long time. Have found that my hooks ups are better and they stay on.
Admittedly I only skimmed the replies, but I didn't see anyone mention the action you'd be looking for in a rod. Whether it be glass or graphite, I think you'll want a moderate fast action rod. There's quite a few graphite rods that have that action which will have the give of a glass rod with the lightness/strength of graphite. I have a Powell rod with a mod fast action that I picked up in June that I really liked for crankbaits this year.
Some variation of moderate is pretty popular for crankbaits rods. There are some exceptions and people farther South tend to use more heavier action rods than up North averaging out all the comments I've seen on this topic over the years.