Well, will they? Can you actually imagine the Badgers losing twice in one year to any team? Pretty hard to swallow.
What do you think?
You know what I think!! GO GREEN!!!!
1jav
I'm thinking Bucky 38 MSU 17. Theres no way that MSU can go without penalties when not at home. :P
Quote from: 1javelin on November 27, 2011, 08:46:20 PM
You know what I think!! GO GREEN!!!!
1jav
What do you think the score will be?
I.m going MSU 34, Wisconsin 24. I think if they quit playing stupid prevent defense and clock management for the whole 3rd and 4th it could be a lot more, but apparently to win in the Big 10 you can't put your foot on the gas and score high like all the other big teams do. I'd run up the score every single time, try and stop me!
1jav
Some teams do try to do that. I don't think it will be real high scoring this time.
As much as I would love to see MSU go to the Rose Bowl, I just don't see it happening. Almost never does a team (of similar quality) sweep another. LSU is heads and shoulders above the world, so they will sweep Bama though. I predict a mild blowout by Wisconsin. I'll take 31-10. And MSU will end up being punished for success and getting to play in the championship game, and will end up in a who cares Tidy Bowl or something. And Michigan, who is inferior to MSU in every measurable category, will play in a BCS game. Good luck to all.
Michigan will get the bowl they deserve like every other team. We can't help it if we're popular. We've got the largest and most loyal alumni who fill The Big House game after game, year after year! The bowl committees like that! GO BLUE!
Where are all the spartans backing their team with complete faith and support?!? C'mon football fans!
State fans just don't have to try as hard.
State wins 20-7.
GO BADGERS !!!!
Go Blue or go home !!! stirin the pot maybe a little
Mark, Tell us who is gonna win. I know your reading this
State will win it. But it will be close. These aren't the same old Spartans.
24 - 21
Okay honestly I think it's going to be a low scoring game with Wisconsin coming out on top. I'm a die hard State fan but I don't think we will play flawlessly again, although I'm pullin for it!
On a different note, there is absolutely no way that Michigan should get a BCS at large bid. The loser of the game whether state or wisco should get that bid. How can UofM be rewarded for not winning enough games to get to the big ten championship game? Does the alum/walmarters fill the stadium, absolutely! But based on the best team? Wolverine fans can't actually say with a straight face that they deserve it...can they?
Quote from: LAPORTE on November 29, 2011, 04:40:41 PM
GO BADGERS !!!!
Go Blue or go home !!! stirin the pot maybe a little
Mark, Tell us who is gonna win. I know your reading this
Looks like everyone already knows who is going to win!!!! You know its bad when even the state fans admit they had the luckiest game ever with NO chance of repeating. ;D
GO BUCKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here ya go! ;D
Quote from: MIBassKid on November 29, 2011, 09:02:41 PM
Okay honestly I think it's going to be a low scoring game with Wisconsin coming out on top. I'm a die hard State fan but I don't think we will play flawlessly again, although I'm pullin for it!
On a different note, there is absolutely no way that Michigan should get a BCS at large bid. The loser of the game whether state or wisco should get that bid. How can UofM be rewarded for not winning enough games to get to the big ten championship game? Does the alum/walmarters fill the stadium, absolutely! But based on the best team? Wolverine fans can't actually say with a straight face that they deserve it...can they?
Because the looser of the Michigan State game would have 3 losses and U of M would only have 2
Quote from: MIBassKid on November 29, 2011, 09:02:41 PM
Okay honestly I think it's going to be a low scoring game with Wisconsin coming out on top. I'm a die hard State fan but I don't think we will play flawlessly again, although I'm pullin for it!
On a different note, there is absolutely no way that Michigan should get a BCS at large bid. The loser of the game whether state or wisco should get that bid. How can UofM be rewarded for not winning enough games to get to the big ten championship game? Does the alum/walmarters fill the stadium, absolutely! But based on the best team? Wolverine fans can't actually say with a straight face that they deserve it...can they?
No problem with a straight face. We're 10-2 and beat both of the teams msu lost to. Just a few weird plays away from undefeated. We're the Wolverines! Hail to the Victors! Keep plugging away sparty. Maybe some day, you'll earn the same regard that 11 national championships, 3 Heisman winners, 42 Big Ten championships and 894 wins (#1 in all of college football) WITH The Big House have earned the Wolverine Machine! Maybe... GO BLUE!
Having wound a few people up again, I'm expecting Wisconsin to win because I think they have more faith and expectation of winning right now by a little, but I have no doubt sparty can pull it off if they want it bad enough and believe they can win. The badgers have shown they are vulnerable on any weekend too! I've lived in spartyville for a long time and they still don't have enough faith in themselves. They still live too much in the past, which cannot be changed. Should be an interesting game. Especially if both teams come to play 110%!
Anything can happen. Heck, the 'experts' said no way that ohio beats duke in basketball... yet, they did. So, you never know.
I predict the game won't even be played. Something tragic will happen that will overshadow the game and millions will come to the realization that it is just a bunch of kids playing a game that really means nothing in the big picture of life. The schools will realize that and cancel the game.
I think you need to go somewhere warm and catch some fish. Or eat a peanut butter sandwich maybe...
No kidding, what a captain BUZZKILL.
He should check his sugar level immediately!
Luckily for you Team houston, you will be catching giant peacock bass in a few weeks!!!!!!
OH YES!! Praying for no snow on the 12th or 13th
I know the Spartans can win, it's a question of do they know it. But, whoever loses, will lose the BCS bid to an inferior Michigan team, because it's all about money. Fans that travel bring in the dough, Michigan fans pay A LOT OF MONEY to travel for their team. Same way if Notre Dame was high ranked. Is it fair? No. Is it fair that the government spends my money instead of me? No. It's the way of the mighty dollar. Sure will be nice when the Spartans knock off Oregon and hoist that Rose Bowl trophy though!!
1jav
Good to know your college education isn't totally going to waste... ;D
On one point, I would like to say it is just your opinion and a few others the MICHIGAN is inferior. We'll see if the entire BCS feels the same way after tomorrow.
Notre Dame 31 sparty 13
MICHIGAN 35 Notre Dame 31
Nebraska 24 sparty 3
MICHIGAN 45 Nebraska 17
Looks like things are pretty close to me, but of course, I have my own opinion on who the superior team is! GO BLUE!
Quote from: djkimmel on December 03, 2011, 01:52:10 AM
Good to know your college education isn't totally going to waste... ;D
On one point, I would like to say it is just your opinion and a few others the MICHIGAN is inferior. We'll see if the entire BCS feels the same way after tomorrow.
Notre Dame 31 sparty 13
MICHIGAN 35 Notre Dame 31
Nebraska 24 sparty 3
MICHIGAN 45 Nebraska 17
Looks like things are pretty close to me, but of course, I have my own opinion on who the superior team is! GO BLUE!
EQUAL IS IN THE EYE OF THE OBSERVER
BIG TEN CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY VS WISCONSIN
GO STATE!!
Quote from: Durand Dan on December 03, 2011, 05:48:26 AM
EQUAL IS IN THE EYE OF THE OBSERVER
Pretty much all I was saying too. Though no one should be unsure where my heart lives!
Pretty amazing game, but mental mistakes by MSU cost them the game. The interception and fumble in the first half and running into the kicker in the second half. Great game though.
As for the previous comments, MSU had a more difficult schedule this year than the Wolverines, but next year should be interesting.
A defensive struggle just like some thought!!
For a while there, I didn't even think Wisconsin had a defense on the field... my wife was happy about that though (MSU employee). Once again, it could have gone either way. After seeing all the big passes made pretty easy, I have to wonder what Oregon is going to do with that?
I don't know where the tougher schedule comments come from. I don't see it. Just look at the preseason schedules... The schedules look pretty much the same to me. The only difference at all between the two is Wisconsin and they proved they are not the dominating, unbeatable team people said they were at the beginning. I think next year will be a lot more interesting and more of a return to the 'good ole days.'
In the meantime, ON TO THE BOWL GAMES!!! I always root for all the Big Ten teams during bowl season. Even the buk.... buc... bu... ohio...
Seems the game ended the same as the last one, some very lucky heroics near the end. I'm not going to say State deserves a better bowl game than Michigan, even though so we know where my heart lays they do, but both teams last night left it all on the field. I'm not sure if #9 will ever walk again after that idiotic play, but it started way before that. I told my wife when they got inside the 10 and settled for a field goal in the 4th that we would lose by less than 4, and they should have pulled off the 4th down go for it. That series would have changed the whole dynamic of the end of the game. A lot of game winning plays were left on the field, along with a lot of bad plays that made it on the field. I like what Eric put on Facebook, it's still only a game played by young men. With that, GO GREEN!!!
1jav
There were quite a few plays in that game that changed the tide one way or the other. I think parity is a lot closer now than ever before which is why you see so many surprising wins and upsets in league play in almost all the leagues.
How long after the game do you think it took for the players to fill up a pillow case with batteries and beat #9 to death?
That dude might have beat himself to death by now for the play that has replaced Leon Lett's as the stupidest in the history of football.
As for who is better, stats never lie, but liars do stats. So we can all spin anything the way we want to make our team appear to be better than another.
How about if we settle it on the water at the spring DK Open. Sign up and declare yourself blue or green. The Mishawaka wacko will just have to pick one or the other. ;D
U of M to Sugar Bowl. MSU to Outhouse Bowl.
That must be a tough pill to swallow for the green and white.
Quote from: cameraguy on December 05, 2011, 09:32:42 PM
U of M to Sugar Bowl. MSU to Outhouse Bowl.
That must be a tough pill to swallow for the green and white.
Status quo.
You can't really lose a game on only 1 play. If that were the case, games should be one series of downs each and that's it. Games are won or lost over the entire course of the game on a number of plays and decisions. I feel sorry for that kid but the entire team and coaches, and even fans, win or lose the game. Same thing with the season. Msu lost 2 games prior. If they had won them, than maybe there wouldn't be all this meanness, envy and jealousy back towards Michigan. But they did lose them and to then throw all the disappointment darts towards Michigan just makes the fans who do it look worse which makes the program look worse. Teams should control their own destiny by winning and when they lose they should accept what they get rather than try to put the blame on others who had nothing to do with the losses that cost them.
I never minded when U of M has gone to the Outback Bowl. It's the right time of year in a good location. I like it when they go to different bowls around the first of the year. Provides some variety. It shouldn't be so upsetting to have a chance to play Georgia and maybe prove something that in the end, only W's and L's prove.
The only real way to earn respect is to put out a long-term, pretty consistently good program with the support of a large and loyal fanbase. People expect those programs to be successful again just as much as they expect inconsistent programs to be inconsistent again. It takes time to build a program that everyone comes to believe will stay near the top or come back after a short slide verses thinking they're just having a few good seasons or a few bad seasons.
Who can really be surprised and unknowledgeable about that?
I watch the debate every year about the bad BCS including talk of wasting my tax dollars with a congressional investigation - which if that doesn't show how insane things can get, I don't know what will - and I just shake my head. I want to say, get a life, but that won't change anything. I love my Michigan Wolverine football - it's the only non-fishing sport I really follow every year - but it is just football, not life and death.
I know it won't really matter what system is in use. Someone will always feel left out, slighted and disrespected, and be demanding changes or 'investigations.' Meanwhile, I'm happy because I just like to watch the game, watch the plays, see sportsmanship and take what we get. I'm less happy when we lose but I get over it because there's always another game next week or next year. The only time I get upset is when there's unsportsmanlike behavior that dirties the game, or a little when I see people get ugly over things that make themselves look worse than their intended target.
Quote from: djkimmel on December 06, 2011, 03:19:33 PM
The only real way to earn respect is to put out a long-term, pretty consistently good program with the support of a large and loyal fanbase. People expect those programs to be successful again just as much as they expect inconsistent programs to be inconsistent again. It takes time to build a program that everyone comes to believe will stay near the top or come back after a short slide verses thinking they're just having a few good seasons or a few bad seasons.
All I'm saying is, if it's all about the football team, the team that takes the field every Saturday, then history of the program before then should play no factor. Playing Georgia is an awesome opportunity, and hopefully will turn a lot different than it did last year when we played Alabama, though I have a feeling the outcome will still be a loss for Sparty.
I guess I keep expecting to get the agreement to my argument, and I'm looking in the wrong places. You can't ask a duck hunter if they think ducks are more important than deer. Subjectively speaking, without any ties to any teams, because it really is not about MSU here, if it's not about the money and not supposed to be about the storied history of the program, and it is supposed to be about the team that takes the field on any given Saturday, then why is Boise State playing in Vegas, when they were a field goal miss away from undefeated, against a stout TCU team? They beat the pants off Georgia in Georgia opening week! Why does Alabama get a rematch when Oklahoma State ran a tougher schedule, and lost in double overtime? Why does Virginia Tech get to go to a BCS game when they didn't win their conference, by a long shot!? It's because of money! Someone please be honest and say it! I don't care that Michigan goes to a bowl game, but I want it to be because they deserve it, not because they did good (worse than some very deserving programs) and will bring the dollars!
1jav
Life isn't fair sometimes and sometimes just 'not fair' for some people. Boise State every year has a big question mark over them because their overall schedule just doesn't convince enough people. Alabama finished above OSU because more people think the sec is superior and that Alabama is a better team overall. After watching both play, I have no doubt that Alabama could beat LSU if they give it their all while OSU would have to have a pretty amazing game to outscore LSU. I wouldn't mind seeing them play but I'm sure not going to sue because they don't get to. They should have beaten Iowa State and then things might be different. But they didn't.
LSU is beatable. Arkansas State and Georgia both showed they can be put in a hole, but both teams failed to make the hole deep enough so we didn't get to see at what point LSU might might lose some of their 'invincibility.'
It is so much more common now for upsets within league play because parity has gotten a little closer and because of the history and emotions - emotions have a lot to do with it when you are talking about kids playing sports. Anyone can say anyone is better than so and so, and it doesn't mean a hill of beans. It doesn't change the polls. It doesn't change who is in which bowl game. It doesn't change who thinks the polls or voters are fair or not. It won't change how true fans feel about their teams.
I could make all kinds of claims about who is better and what proves it, and whose mind will it change? Pretty much no one's. So why bother. One big different I notice is that I believe U of M is going to win every game no matter what the circumstances and who they play because they are U of M and I know they are capable of it every time, while I notice often, spartans making comments about 'they'll probably lose' or 'odds are we won't win this one' things like that. I live in Lansing. I hear these things all the time. I've been in both stadiums a number of times and you can feel the difference. So can the teams. It is a game of emotions.
That is maybe the single, simplest key difference between the blue and the green. It really is different and great having that kind of faith in a program. I think that is something too many spartans haven't figured out yet. And because of that, some will inevitably jump on it trying to prove how misguided my faith is when everything they say will not change the faith one tiny fraction. That is a difference between Wolverines and spartans. Having a fanbase with that kind of faith is what helps Wolverines get the BCS bowl game.
Despite the flap on the Internet about how 'inferior' they think they are 'proving' Michigan is, we were only a few weird plays away from being 12-0. Even if we had won every game, envy would still drive people to try to prove we are inferior. We don't care. Sure, we get a little irked at times but we have The Big House, we have the pile of Big Ten Championships, we have the 11 national championships (yeah, mean persons, 1997 counts even though you try to say it doesn't), we have the 3 Heisman trophies, we have a winning record against almost every single team we have played and we have more wins than any other college in the US and none of the comments change that. We'll be even greater again because we know we will be.
That's what other schools should be spending their energies trying to achieve rather than spending their energy trying to tear down someone else's program. It's no different when I see someone in the fishing industry badmouthing their competitor. I always believe if you are spending your time badmouthing the competition, it must be because you don't have enough good things to say about yourself!
So, do your program a favor and spend your time having faith and saying good things about it! For the spartans, that means beat Georgia next. Despite the orneriness, the dirty plays and the harassment that I sometimes respond to but don't initiate when we are beating you, I will still be rooting for the spartans when they play Georgia. Even though I will read about all the 'fans' who say they root for anyone who plays Michigan. Whatever. I'm a Wolverine so it's important to us. In fact, the envy and jealousy actually proves we are as special as we believe we are. I wish that for every team. Well... maybe not that team to the south... I'm human too afterall ;D
Quote from: 1javelin on December 06, 2011, 05:51:24 PM
Quote from: djkimmel on December 06, 2011, 03:19:33 PM
The only real way to earn respect is to put out a long-term, pretty consistently good program with the support of a large and loyal fanbase. People expect those programs to be successful again just as much as they expect inconsistent programs to be inconsistent again. It takes time to build a program that everyone comes to believe will stay near the top or come back after a short slide verses thinking they're just having a few good seasons or a few bad seasons.
All I'm saying is, if it's all about the football team, the team that takes the field every Saturday, then history of the program before then should play no factor. Playing Georgia is an awesome opportunity, and hopefully will turn a lot different than it did last year when we played Alabama, though I have a feeling the outcome will still be a loss for Sparty.
I guess I keep expecting to get the agreement to my argument, and I'm looking in the wrong places. You can't ask a duck hunter if they think ducks are more important than deer. Subjectively speaking, without any ties to any teams, because it really is not about MSU here, if it's not about the money and not supposed to be about the storied history of the program, and it is supposed to be about the team that takes the field on any given Saturday, then why is Boise State playing in Vegas, when they were a field goal miss away from undefeated, against a stout TCU team? They beat the pants off Georgia in Georgia opening week! Why does Alabama get a rematch when Oklahoma State ran a tougher schedule, and lost in double overtime? Why does Virginia Tech get to go to a BCS game when they didn't win their conference, by a long shot!? It's because of money! Someone please be honest and say it! I don't care that Michigan goes to a bowl game, but I want it to be because they deserve it, not because they did good (worse than some very deserving programs) and will bring the dollars!
1jav
I hear all of Michigan's games will be at home next year due to the home field advantage and the millions of dollars they bring in! This should eliminate the road loses. This year they ONLY had 8!
I hear all of Michigan's games will be at home next year due to the home field advantage and the millions of dollars they bring in! This should eliminate the road loses. This year they ONLY had 8!
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We will see how far Michigan has come. They get Alabama first next year. That will be a good measuring stick.
Quote from: Durand Dan on December 07, 2011, 04:17:39 AM
I hear all of Michigan's games will be at home next year due to the home field advantage and the millions of dollars they bring in! This should eliminate the road loses. This year they ONLY had 8!
That would be awesome for me!!! Then I might get to watch
every game close up!! If only... but looking at the upcoming schedules, they are slowing trending down for home games. The other teams that come to Michigan stadium make more money too. The Big House is an awesome place to play football!! GO BLUE!
Quote from: Ellipsis on December 07, 2011, 08:38:17 AM
I hear all of Michigan's games will be at home next year due to the home field advantage and the millions of dollars they bring in! This should eliminate the road loses. This year they ONLY had 8!
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I'll see what I can do for you a little later this winter! There might be something available to help you out. I want you to be happy! I really do!
Quote from: Team houston on December 07, 2011, 09:30:22 AM
We will see how far Michigan has come. They get Alabama first next year. That will be a good measuring stick.
That should be interesting but I don't get playing it in Texas?!? That's just weird. Neutral field, yes, but weird.
I remember the one year we had our annual home opener hosting Alabama and everyone seemed to assume we would get beaten. We beat them. We almost never lose a home opener. I don't know how that will translate to playing in Texas. But I'll be watching and EXPECTING a win! That's what Michigan fans do!!
youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?&feature=player_embedded&noredirect=1&v=ae_SxDnD2W4)
These videos just kill me.
Lets have people go watch that one on Youtube, not here. It goes a little beyond the PG-13 limits of GLBass, and I don't want to corrupt the youngsters right on here. That's on of the things about running a website with youngsters who's Mom might not be happy with the website running a video like this.
That was pretty good but if drinking beer and eating cheese is wrong I don't want to be right.
Also they have the BEST team in the big ten!!!
Oh yeah and we also have the Green Bay Packers!!
ON WISCONSIN!!!
Oh boy... you are really asking for it!
I did try fried cheese curds a couple times when I fished the federation and Sturgeon Bay open in the cheese state. cameraguy almost caused a riot by besmirching the packers in a Green Bay sports bar. We barely got out alive! Good thing lots of beer slows down peoples' reflexes.
Wow that is hard to believe you got out alive. It's one thing to talk bad about the Pack anywhere in the state but to do it IN Green Bay is just insanity. :o
In a sports bar no less!!
Quote from: djkimmel on December 09, 2011, 03:08:42 PM
Oh boy... you are really asking for it!
I did try fried cheese curds a couple times when I fished the federation and Sturgeon Bay open in the cheese state. cameraguy almost caused a riot by besmirching the packers in a Green Bay sports bar. We barely got out alive! Good thing lots of beer slows down peoples' reflexes.
Hmm. I don't remember that. Either I'm getting old or Dan is making it up...or both. OR...Dan is exaggerating just a bit. Trying to get even for the new video already, eh?
I have witnesses!!! We were playing some weird game and you were taunting the other players. Yes, taunting. Something about some guy named rupio who ended up being at a table nearby (good thing he wasn't a very big cheesehead, eh)?!?
Then you got really worked up and yelled something about the packers! I thought that was the end of it. We left pretty quick after that. Looked like a lynch mob was building and we would be done as soon as the last fried cheese curds was gone!
Quote from: djkimmel on December 10, 2011, 12:49:57 PM
I have witnesses!!! We were playing some weird game and you were taunting the other players. Yes, taunting. Something about some guy named rupio who ended up being at a table nearby (good thing he wasn't a very big cheesehead, eh)?!?
Then you got really worked up and yelled something about the packers! I thought that was the end of it. We left pretty quick after that. Looked like a lynch mob was building and we would be done as soon as the last fried cheese curds was gone!
Sounds like some kind of sugar induced hallucination to me. I have no idea what you are talking about. Must have been someone else.
I had no beer that afternoon. You had beer. I know you remember saying real loud, "Rupio, you're going down!" It wasn't too long after that...