http://bassfan.com/docktalk.asp sad
He is getting hammered all over the internet....I don't know him at all but he is going to have some real struggles in the future with this...
I hope more boaters will remember now that you can't even joke about breaking the rules. And if there is any proof it is ever not a joke... gone baby gone.
Quote from: djkimmel on September 03, 2011, 05:52:09 PM
I hope more boaters will remember now that you can't even joke about breaking the rules. And if there is any proof it is ever not a joke... gone baby gone.
NOT the case. BASS had FIRST HAND WITNESS ACCOUNT OF WHAT HAPPENED (isnt that considered proof in court?).....and they slapped Nate on the wrist.
His days catch should have been DQ'd at a minimum!
Quote from: Mini on September 04, 2011, 11:25:59 AM
Quote from: djkimmel on September 03, 2011, 05:52:09 PM
I hope more boaters will remember now that you can't even joke about breaking the rules. And if there is any proof it is ever not a joke... gone baby gone.
NOT the case. BASS had FIRST HAND WITNESS ACCOUNT OF WHAT HAPPENED (isnt that considered proof in court?).....and they slapped Nate on the wrist.
His days catch should have been DQ'd at a minimum!
I have to disagree with you on this one Mini....If all it took was a "He said this" comment between 2 people there would be alot of people sitting in prison for sexual harrassment or other crimes...
A fellow employee at Ford just went through this a few years ago...A girl said he made sexual comments to her..He was immediately fired and it darn near cost him his marriage...Over 10k dollars in lawyers fees and a suit against her for defamation finally got him his job back....After over a year.....She had made obvious lies and her comments were contradictory and they basically threw it out of court in less than 15 mins.....But look what it cost him..
Obviously Nate himself admitted he made the comments...It is the intent that is in question and I think that BASS did all they could given the "Proof" that they had....
I don't know Nate and he could be a POS for all I know but we have to be careful what we wish for....Maybe the Guy was a buddy of Rhode..... ;D J/K but you know what I am getting at.....
This just firms up my belief that Draw tournaments are probably the way to go if you are concerned about cheating...I am not saying that everyone that fishes Team tournies are cheaters but there are always those 1 percenters....There is very little checks and balances in Team tournaments and when you are fishing for 10k dollars there are a few guys out there that might be tempted.....JMHO
Nate admitting making the comment. You buddy at Ford obviously vehemently denied his accusations. There is the difference.
Its ok to disagree....BUT....did the punishment fit the rule violation based on BASS accounts and history?
I do agree with you mini on the point that BASS and other tournament organizations need more consistent "Sentencing guidelines" when doling out punishment....
I think the rules state "UP to" disqualification....That kind of leaves the doors wide open...
I have fished with Jared....It would have been cool to see him make the classic......He is the best deep water fisherman I have been in the boat with....I don't know how he would do outside of that element though...
Saddest part is that we wont find out this year.....because of a supposed "joke"
Has anyone seen it reported anywhere that an official protest was made within the required window to make a protest?
Quote from: djkimmel on September 05, 2011, 01:00:01 AM
Has anyone seen it reported anywhere that an official protest was made within the required window to make a protest?
The co-angler told the Tournament Director before the weigh-in! Nate Wellman is simply an admitted cheater by virtue of admitting to his comments, and should be banned from all tournament competition period!
How or where did you find out when the co-angler told the tournament director? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere official or by someone who was there and knows the parties involved.
Here is a statement from BBC from a competitor that talked to the Co angler...It sounds to me like the protest was filed after the 30 min protest time....Which is usually after the last guy weighs in...
"YEs the Co-Angler contacted Chris Bowes later that day after weigh in.. How do i know?? I gave him Chris's number so he could call him..
Did he sign Nate's slip?? YES
Did he file an appeal within the mentioned 15 or 30 minutes after weigh in?? NO
That rule has always sorta puzzled me on the timely manner thing.. So if an angler goes out and cheats blatantly and is not caught and turned in within that short time do they get free pass???"
Link to comment....http://www.bbcboards.net/zerothread?id=720905&page=6 (http://www.bbcboards.net/zerothread?id=720905&page=6)
That is what I was guessing happened. And also why I believe it turned out and was announced the way it did. It would have been a DQ if it was reported earlier but I sympathize with co-angler in this situation and I'm still glad B.A.S.S. did what they did in an unfortunate occurrence.
he is officially banned from all KLBA ran events. What a shame he did this. Imagine fullfilling a lifelong dream only to have this looming over your head. makes you wonder if he has succesfully bough fish in the past to gain an advantage. wish it didnt happen at all. i have met nate a few times ( well i guess you can only meet someone once ) and he always seems like a cool guy. this will be hard to rebound from.
McCarter himself :-\'
Quote from: McCarter on September 06, 2011, 12:19:32 AM
he is officially banned from all KLBA ran events. What a shame he did this. Imagine fullfilling a lifelong dream only to have this looming over your head. makes you wonder if he has succesfully bough fish in the past to gain an advantage. wish it didnt happen at all. i have met nate a few times ( well i guess you can only meet someone once ) and he always seems like a cool guy. this will be hard to rebound from.
McCarter himself :-\'
i've read all of the articles on this and was trying to see Nate's side of things and wondered have i ever made a similar comment in a joking fashion (of course never in this type of tournament, with this high of stakes, and me being the joker i am ;D) then i came across this comment below the BASS article...
"So for everyone that thinks the Co-angler was wrong let me fill u n on a few more details..No it was not me being I did not fish the event.. However I Extremely familier with what happened.. How would you react if you were asked 3 to 4 times thruout the day to sell your boater one of your 4#+ fish to help his bag for a $1000? How about the fact he went into detail about driving out to the middle of the lake where no one was to put it on his side of the well? Or the fact he went into detail on how his dad always has $1000-3000 cash on him and when they get back to ramp will get him squared away.. That folks is the cold hard truth.. I commend the Co Angler for reporting it and doing the right thing."Seems like he was way out of line, if this comment is accurate, some real thought was going into a cheating plan. as many of you have said...SAD
Quote from: motocross269 on September 05, 2011, 04:00:03 PM
Did he sign Nate's slip?? YES
I bet he didn't. There are no weigh in slips to sign at these tournaments.
Eric - what do they do anymore at the Opens - ask you if your partner's catch was okay or anything along those lines? Just curious.
Actually Dan, No one asked me anything when I got in the line to weigh in either day ????
I guess you just have to proactively speak up or forever hold your peace. (Sometimes anyway). Thanks LAPORTE. Looks like some of your tournament made up for the rough water.
They don't do anything. When you get to that part of the line, they just ask your boat number, make sure you are who they think you are, and make the boater go first. No signature, initials, nothing.
It looks like he has been banned from FLW events for a year....
These rest of 2011 and all of 2012. He can request a reconsideration at that time. It's hard to get off their list once you're on it.
http://www.flwoutdoors.com/fishing-articles/152853/flw-outdoors-clarifies-wellman-suspension/
This is a sad situation, the truth of it is that this will hurt each and every one of us once it's all said and done.
I was ready to post my "opinion" on this angler and the situation but a good friend pointed out that I'm doing nothing to help resolve the issue and maybe doing more harm than good and I'd like to pass on this wisdom.
I don't know what sponsors he has but what if they are your sponsor as well and they decide its time to call it quits and you know any company that looks at this is going to rethink their support for tournament fishing. Especially when they see all the posts and talk from all of us rehashing this and other stories.
Not to mention how many anglers are going to say enough is enough and give up tournament fishing as well as potential new anglers that see this as a good reason not to fish that first tournament.
Now these anglers won't be paying entry fees or buying a new boat/rod/reel because they won't be participating in tournaments and realize they can make do with what they have.
Reality is one man's mistake/greed/stupidity is going to ripple out across the industry and results in thousands maybe millions of dollars lost.
I'm not saying we need to keep this on the down low but the uglier this gets the more it hurts all of us.
I know this forum has more level headed visitor than most and this should be posted in these other forums but I don't post in these other forums anymore and hope that these thoughts trickle down to them.
I bet if this happened in the South he would have been swimming back to shore while his co-angler drove the boat to care for his bleeding knuckles.
I do agree with you Roy, but I disagree with the punishment. Cheating is cheating, and if he was truly only commenting on how good of a day his partner was having, he would have said that. He would have asked for some specifics, a color, a bait. He wouldn't have mentioned buying his fish. I think rules need to be rules, and punishments in this case need to let others know what they can expect if they try something like this.
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Do we really know he cheated or just had poor Judgment?
Do we really know what was said? Has Nate given his side of the story?
How do we know it wasn't something like this.
Man thats a nice fish I wish I had that on my stringer. Hell I'd even pay $1000 bucks for a fish like that now. (in a joking voice) Wow I can't believe you caught another nice fish and I just can't seem to get the big bite I need.
For those of you who have fished draw tournmanets can you honestly say you've never looked at a co-anglers or boaters catch and made a comment like "nice fish I wish I had that on my stringer."
He truly may just be talking out of frustration in an innocent manor. Not realizing how it sounded. His co-angler maybe over reacting, ticked off about something else or just trying to make a name for himself. We really don't know what happend.
I comend Nate for not denying it. This to me makes me want to believe he was truly joking and somethings were taken out of context.
I heard that Nate was going to be on the Radio on Monday telling his side of the story. I am curious to hear what he has to say.
I know one thing ---- I wouldn't stand by and let someone smear my name if I were innocent or truly joking.
Let's see if Nate stands up for himself.
I tend to believe that Bass felt it was taken out of context but it is obvious what he said was inappropriate. Yet the fact he said it and they knew there would be some controversy meant they had to take action. So the action needed to fit the crime.
The fact that Bass did not make a bigger deal out of it make me think it is not what many are making it out to be.
All I can say is I hope for his sake as well as the future of our sport that's all it really is.
I don't have a problem with him telling his partner he has a great fish and he wishes it was on his stringer, it's the part about going out into the lake were no one can see to exchange it, and his dad paying him a $1000 when they get back to the ramp.
Just my 2cents
How do you know he really said that is my point?
Just because his co-angler said that doesn't mean its true.
Nates never said what he actualy said just that things were said in jest in a joking manor that were taken by his co-angler another way.
Anthony sounds like you need to do some more reading. From the Co-angler himself:
"I was the co-angler that was propositioned by Nate on the final day of the BASS open in Sandusky.
I wish none of this would have happened and to be quite honest I feel bad for Nate.I think he made a terrible mistake once he started thinking about not making the Classic. I don't know Nate, but aside from the offer I enjoyed the beginning of the day with him. I told Nate that I would net my own fish so he could have more time to fish. I knew what was at stake for this young man and I didn't want to do anything to ruin his chances. I also know that when he said " he would give me a thousand dollars for my fish" and that "his dad walks around with one to three thousand dollars cash in his pocket and we could meet up with his dad after the weigh in to take care of it" and the fact that he said" he would drive me out to the middle of ...the lake to transfer the fish to his live well so that no one would see" was not a JOKE! Why would you say a "joke" to a person you have known for about three hours of this magnitude? I know some of you believe what Nate did was harmless and he was truly joking. That is your right and I am just trying to let you know what really happened. I myself would never joke about something this important to a person I barely know.The people that know me have stood up for me as you would expect them to. It is the others that believe what I have said and know I had nothing to gain by telling this that have commented on what I did.There are also people calling me names and saying what is said in the boat stays in the boat...REALLY? What type of people are there out there that would let somebody try to cheat in a sport that we all love? I wonder what those people would be calling me if I had taken the money and then BASS found out? I did what was right in my mind PERIOD.Believe what you want. That is one of the greatest things about the country we live in. Another question that has been brought up is, Why didn't I say something right away? The answer as far as saying something right away, I dropped the ball. Truth be told, I was scared. I didn't know what to do and with 150 or so people out watching us weigh in, I was afraid.Sorry I don't have better answers than this, but that's the truth. So keep hating on me and telling what you would have or have not done. Until you are in a similar situation, do you really know what you would do? As for me. I can wake up every morning and look in the mirror and know I did what was right and I have. By the way if you want to ask me questions or call me a "tool" a "dick" or a "snitch" you now have my facebook address.
Sincerely,
Joe Stois Sr."
Now ask yourself what does Joe have to gain by making this story up? Use some commen sense, the coangler is telling the complete truth no doubt about it!
I've read it but I am not quick to convict someone based on what someone said.
I'm curiously waiting for Nate to tell his side of the story.
I'd like to believe it was harmless talk.
If his co-angler truly believed Nate was trying to cheat he should have gave him the fish took the $1000 then turned it all over to Bass so they could convict him.
Thats what I would do... I'd make sure a cheater did not get a way with it.
But instead we have a he said she said situation. That the co-angler waited until later that night before saying anything.
Why did he wait?
Is it possible he was upset about his day 3 finish?
I found this in an article on bass fan that just came out.
Of particular interest is that Wellman said a cameraman was in the boat for the first part of the morning and captured on tape the fish in question – more evidence that he was joking and not serious about purchasing the fish, he said.
"I can't quote myself," Wellman told BassFan, after stating that he's barely slept or eaten for days. "The amount of emotion going through my body at that time, and the feelings I had and the thoughts going through my head, I can't even explain it. I just can't. I had lows, I had highs – just everything. You're constantly thinking about what the other guys have got, you're thinking 'It's tough on me, it must be tough on them,' then you miss a fish and you dwell on that. Everything changed mentally so much throughout the day it's just hard to put it back together.
Bass Responded with....
B.A.S.S. ownership partner Jerry McKinnis told BassFan that a committee determined the Wellman penalty and the situation differed from other recent DQ scenarios because "In those cases we knew exactly what happened – the people involved admitted to making an honest mistake and there was no mystery there. We don't have that here, and there's a very good chance that we've missed the boat. But also, there's a chance that the guy (Wellman) wasn't guilty. There's a question as to what occurred."
Was it on Camera? ---- That explains why it's not being taken so harshly.
See the full article here..
http://www.bassfan.com/news_article.asp?ID=4058
Even Bass who has the full story from both sides isn't sure enough to DQ him.
Why are so many so sure he cheated?
I firmly believe you owe it to a person to give them the benifit of the doubt until such evidence is out that shows proof of guilt.
Ok say Joe agrees and gives wellman his fish how do you prove it was Joes fish? He wouldnt of gotten paid until after the weigh in and he would look just as guilty if he took that road. Wellman had everything to gain by this proposition 50k and a classic berth, the Co had nothing to gain but all this bulls**t he is going through now. As for waiting to hear what wellman has to say its obvious why you are still waiting. The only defense he has is he was joking, how would he explain offering his fathers money and exchanging fish in the middle of the lake and bringing this up 4 times throughout the day? He cant because that would go against his "joking" defense which is why we are not getting his side of the story.
wonder how much legal talk went on between his lawyer and BASS. Since both have issued statements it seems the case is closed. Should be interesting to watch the classic coverage when this will come up again.
At least this one did not make the national news. Last year when the guy got caught putting weights in fish a lot of people at work and friends asked me if I did that.
Tim I'm not saying he's innocent or guilty. I just do not take what one person says as the gospel truth. We don't have the full story BASS does and even thier not 100% sure what happend.
As for how would you prove it's your fish? The fish was caught on camera and so were the words in question.
If you were going to cheat would you do it when the camera was rolling?
Something doesn't make sense to me and thats why I question.
What's sad to me is that so many people are so quick to judge before we've heard the entire story. Maybe more will come out maybe it won't.
I have high hopes that BASS will act accordingly.
What concerns me is that Nate has not denied any of what his co-angler reported. I would have expected Nate to refute the part about planning to go to the middle of the lake, or about the amount of money his dad had on him to square up.
Instead, his defense has been something to the extent of, "it was the heat of the moment, i'm not sure what I said but whatever I said, I didn't mean it. I may have said it twice, or ten times, I'm not sure exactly what I said. It might have sounded serious, because it was the heat of the moment, but I meant it in a joking way."
He sounds pretty guilty to me...
Anyone read Nates statement on this? Why did his story change? Originally said it was a joke....made in jest.
His statement has no mention of a joke....NONE.
Bass Boat Central has plenty to read, lots from friends of the Co AND the guy he called immediately after weighing in.This person MADE HIM report it. Even gave him the number of the TD.....
Every single person that knows the Co is standing up for him. I have only read ONE SINGLE person stand up for Nate. And if you have ever fished against him locally I think you would see the writing on the wall.
In my mind...GUILTY. Hid day 3 catch should have been eliminated, thus stripping him of the title and letting the deserved man go to the Classic.
Scott: polygraph needed 9/8/2011
Lots of BassFans have been hoping to get B.A.S.S. founder Ray Scott's take on the Erie Bassmaster Northern Open imbroglio involving winner Nate Wellman and his alleged offer to purchase a fish from his co-angler on the final day of that event. Wellman, who claimed that any comments made along those lines were in jest, was fined $2,500 and placed on 1-year probation by B.A.S.S., but allowed to retain the victory and the accompanying 2012 Bassmaster Classic berth.
Scott issued the following statement to BassFan today:
"For those who have been around B.A.S.S. and know our history of tournaments, there is a process clearly identified in Rule 3 (B.A.S.S. Tournament Rules) that deals with infractions like this. When two anglers are in the middle of the lake and it becomes a question of who said what or what took place, you call on the polygraph. A polygraph is the only means at our disposal to clarify and resolve this matter.
"I would hope Mr. Wellman would recognize the criticality of what is at risk now – the perception of dishonesty in bass fishing tournaments and, more importantly, the integrity of every angler around the world. B.A.S.S. has rules that deal with sportsmanship and nothing stands to suffer more from this incident than the honor and veracity of all anglers. Even though B.A.S.S. opted for another course of action, they can still direct a polygraph.
"This isn't going to go away and the stigma will continue to hang over our heads until Mr. Wellman is either exonerated or held accountable. With all the speculation that is going on, the right thing for Mr. Wellman to do would be to contact B.A.S.S. and insist that they give him a polygraph. If he doesn't put this issue to rest beyond any reasonable doubt, B.A.S.S. and the bass-fishing community will forever hold him suspect in any tournament he attempts to enter."
Truer words have never been spoken and if you or I (no matter who you are) were accused of any form of cheating at that level, I would be screaming for a polygraph! Its in the darn rules!
Elite Series Pro Nate Wellman issued the following statement today:
I regret the statements that I made to my co-angler during the Bass Pro Shops, Bassmaster Northern Open on Lake Erie Aug 25-27 2011. While I never intended for my statements to be anything more than an expression of my envy for his performance that day, looking back I can understand now why my co-angler would have misinterpreted my statements. My statements were wrong and should never have been made.
To be perfectly clear - I am not a cheater. I've never cheated in the past and will never do so in the future. I've dedicated my entire adult life to bass fishing, the sport that I love and no amount of money in the world is worth jeopardizing my career that I've spent my life working for. I am an accomplished angler and am confident about my future. Simply stated, I have no reason to cheat and would never tarnish my accomplishments nor compromise my future by cheating. I respect myself, my family, my sponsors and my sport way to much to bring it all down by cheating.
I apologize to everyone for my mistake, including B.A.S.S. and my co-angler for putting them in such an awkward position. Also a sincere apology to the fans of fishing for it was not my intention to tarnish the integrity of the sport.
This is only conjecture, but in a case where it's one person's word against another, there can be no real "proof" as would be required by a court in a criminal case. In such an instance, no one but the parties involved can ever really know what was said. So yes, a polygraph might help, although their not perfect either. So there will always be doubt about this.
Another thing that has not been brought up is the possibility of the co-angler making this up. No I'm not saying he did and would never make such an accusation. BUT, what if (just IF) something else occurred on the water that day to give the co-angler motivation to say something to harm Nate? It does happen in our world. Unfortunately we'll never know will we? We can't unless someone got it on tape, witnessed it first hand, or had a secret recording device hidden in the guy's dash. So if BASS would have DQ'd him for this, they'd have had to do so without tangible physical evidence of the "crime". They did not have this. So all they could do with their level of "proof" was fine him, probably because they think he did cheat and in case it's true to discourage him from ever doing this again. But in my opinion (yes, it's just an opinion), since there was no proof, they shouldn't have done anything. In America, one is assumed innocent until PROVEN guilty based on a preponderance of evidence. Obviously in this case, there was no preponderance of evidence, or they'd have DQ'd him and/or banned him. But they couldn't. Obviously they felt there was enough legitimacy to believe he was guilty, but that's a far cry from actual proof.
The other possibility is that they were limited in their action due to the co-angler missing the deadline for reporting this transgression. But even if he had reported it by the deadline, according to every article I've read, there still isn't tangible physical proof, just one man's word against another. Believe Wellman or not, in our great country, a person is only guilty if there is real proof, not a mere accusation. So in my humble opinion, BASS could only do what they did...or nothing at all. Had he been stripped of his title or been banned, I think he'd have a legitimate case for legal action against BASS. And for the record, I truly hope this never happened and it was just a miscommunication. I think we all hope for that.
Quote from: Revtro on September 08, 2011, 10:09:07 PM
Another thing that has not been brought up is the possibility of the co-angler making this up. No
And Nate admitting he said what the co-angler made up????????????????
interesting article on BASSFAN. Going to give the internet sites something to talk about until the Classic.
http://www.bassfan.com/news_article.asp?id=4059
Please remember that BASS is an organization that you have a privilege to fish. It is NOT a right. You can throw out all the legal mumbo jumbo....
They are the governing body NOT the legal system. The officials have every right to interpret the rules as they see fit, NOT a judge.
Once you sign the check over to BASS you live by their rules and their interpretation of said rules.
Quote from: Mini on September 09, 2011, 11:54:51 AM
Please remember that BASS is an organization that you have a privilege to fish. It is NOT a right. You can throw out all the legal mumbo jumbo....
They are the governing body NOT the legal system. The officials have every right to interpret the rules as they see fit, NOT a judge.
Once you sign the check over to BASS you live by their rules and their interpretation of said rules.
That is true...Right of Refusal....But with money involved they have to be careful not to open themselves up to Civil Court....That is a different ball game altogether....Would this particular case stand up in a court of law if his exclusion was questioned....I don't know..
Now look at me I am a pedestal seat lawyer... ;D
Quote from: Eric on September 09, 2011, 08:00:12 AM
Quote from: Revtro on September 08, 2011, 10:09:07 PM
Another thing that has not been brought up is the possibility of the co-angler making this up. No
And Nate admitting he said what the co-angler made up????????????????
Anyone can lie about intent. Yeah, it's entirely possible someone could say that something which was intended to be a joke was not a joke. It happens if people have motive. But that's not the point. No one is really pointing the finger at the co-angler, nor am I. The point is that anyone can lie about anything and without proof nobody will ever know the full truth of it. Ever. And yes, I believe Moto is right about possible civil liability especially if Wellman can prove that the report was after the reporting deadline, thus a violation of their own rules. But again that's not the point I was making. The only point I was making is that without real proof, none of us will ever know the whole truth. So why hang Wellman? We should just accept that BASS did the best they could with the information they had and move on, hoping that Wellman is somehow able to rebound from this.
Quote from: Revtro on September 09, 2011, 12:41:24 PM
Quote from: Eric on September 09, 2011, 08:00:12 AM
Quote from: Revtro on September 08, 2011, 10:09:07 PM
Another thing that has not been brought up is the possibility of the co-angler making this up. No
And Nate admitting he said what the co-angler made up????????????????
Anyone can lie about intent. Yeah, it's entirely possible someone could say that something which was intended to be a joke was not a joke. It happens if people have motive. But that's not the point. No one is really pointing the finger at the co-angler, nor am I. The point is that anyone can lie about anything and without proof nobody will ever know the full truth of it. Ever. And yes, I believe Moto is right about possible civil liability especially if Wellman can prove that the report was after the reporting deadline, thus a violation of their own rules. But again that's not the point I was making. The only point I was making is that without real proof, none of us will ever know the whole truth. So why hang Wellman? We should just accept that BASS did the best they could with the information they had and move on, hoping that Wellman is somehow able to rebound from this.
Why hang him? I dont want the kid to die....I just want the proper person to win the tournament and get the berth to the Classic.
But ask yourself honestly....would you fish a tournament that he was entered in? I dont think I would.
Come on now...It's a figure of speech. Yeah, I'd fish against him.
Although I'll never get the chance because well...I suck. :P
C'mon now. You just don't want to spend a $1,000 on an entry and another couple thousand on expenses when you can just drive down the road and fish Lake St. Clair! Where you catch plenty of bass!
LOL Touche! Speaking of, I'm having withdrawals because I couldn't get out this weekend!
Actually I think it is a $2,000 entry minimum, $1,000 to fish and at least $1,000 to the guy with the biggest fish ;D
Now I've never been one to convict someone or hold it over their head, cause I am a person that knows what second chances are made of. But his second chance shouldn't be able to come for at least a year, like FLW handled it. He hasn't rebuked any of the statements made, therefor he is admitting guilt by omission in my opinion. Ask for the polygraph test if you really are innocent.
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Quote from: dartag on September 08, 2011, 06:16:15 PMLast year when the guy got caught putting weights in fish a lot of people at work and friends asked me if I did that.
I can't tell they weren't fisherman. Otherwise they would have asked if you prefer using tungsten over lead for that purpose. :D
The people at BASS are reasonable and intelligent. They had more information than anybody. They made the best decision with what they had to work with and it is their decision to make. Good enough for me.
Who is gonna win the World Series?
I think you are giving them WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT Mark!
This is the type of stuff that will come out now...
Ish Monroe - "All B.A.S.S. had to do was DQ him for the event and sweep it under the table. Now it's a rules infraction with tons of questions. I'm not a cheater, but hey, now I can buy a 4-pounder and take a $2,500 fine and probation to win the event? Sign me up."
Do we want this to be the perception of the sport?
And to answer your question Mark....the Detroit Tigers in 6 :)
FWIW I consider Ish's comment to be a joke. NOT Wellman's.
Because now I have to think of Wellman's comment as nothing more than him expressing his envy!
At least until he tells another tale.
here you go
http://basseast.com/?p=8523
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( thanks Nate!!! )
Really ? ... Lets put this to rest already. Dan Please stop the madness
I've been hoping people will just get tired of beating the horse and let it take itself out to pasture.
Agreed. I was just about to say something. I think it's time to chill out about this topic before it gets too out of hand. If people want to keep banging on Wellman, I think there's a Facebook page for that. :P
Excellent point
The Ban Nate Wellman page was removed from Facebook today
It needs to be put to rest. Everyone needs to let it go. The more people talk about it on all the forums and sites on the internet the more it brings attention to the topic and shows up in the search engines. It is not good for the sport of bass fishing or fishing in general. Everyone for the most part has said there peace or what they feel!
Quote from: Mini on September 12, 2011, 05:51:58 PM
The Ban Nate Wellman page was removed from Facebook today
Not surprised considering all the variables. I do not want to take the place of that page here. The situation is already playing out by itself and will continue to do so without our 'help.'
That stinks. That was the only friend request I'd ever gotten.
I know that isn't true. I think my feelings might be hurt.