Thinking about one of these for my Ranger. I think it would really come in handy for the "skip the Fluke under the Pontoon" Pattern. Dock has never been my strong point. I think this might help. The Talon is Minn Kota's answer to the Power Pole.
Who's got one? Opinions please? -Vic
http://www.minnkotamotors.com/products/shallow_water_anchor/talon.aspx (http://www.minnkotamotors.com/products/shallow_water_anchor/talon.aspx)
I'd be interesting in seeing (hearing) how much noise the minn kota makes when it is driving the spike into the bottom.
I have a pole, and have never been in a boat with a talon. They sound pretty comparable on paper, but the pole has one advantage from what I know. You can lower the pole part way if necessary to get your boat under/through something, while the talon sticks up no matter what. I love the pole. Only thing I would change about it is a second one.
Is it a pain in the ass for the guy in the back of the boat? The pole. I like the guys that fish in the back of the boat to have fun too. Guess they would save the motor from the guys that bounce cranks and spinnerbaits off my motor.
The Talon is just as quiet as the power pole. Some advantages of the Talon:
--no hydraulic pump, 1/3 the install time (and less costly) and since there's no pump, it takes up no space in the battery compartment.
--Built in wave absorption feature at no additional cost (optional upgrade on power pole)
--Wireless Remote is standard ($200+ upgrade for power pole)
--easily removeable from boat if needed with quick disconnect mount. Also since there are no hydraulic lines, simply unplug the power plug.
Also, should you need any service work done, any of the Minn Kota trolling motor Authorized Service Centers can also perform warranty work on the Talon.
I have one partner who has made comments about how it is in his way. But this is the same guy who had me put one on his boat after he saw mine. So....
I've fished from the back of Eric's boat, and the pole is no more in the way than the outboard is. It was more of a distraction than anything. I want one, and was jealous. But, I never had a problem fishing with it back there.
Quote from: Cheetam on January 08, 2011, 12:05:30 PM
I'd be interesting in seeing (hearing) how much noise the minn kota makes when it is driving the spike into the bottom.
As Bryan said, the Talon I heard down at the Ranger factory was quiet. And fast.
I would wait and see on the talon, just like anything new. I have an 8ft power pole and the only thing I don't like is I only have 1. Getting a second one shortly, you have to get two.
-Matt
Thanks for all the input guys. I like the fact that the talon can come off the boat easy. I have had good luck with Minn Kota stuff. I'll have to give both a good look. Hopefully I've got some extra $$ for fishing stuff this year!! ;D
Vic
I have no knowledge of either. Never seen either work on a boat and could not give you an intelligent opinion.
That being said I would go with the MinnKota product.
I have not seen the Talon. I would wonder how quickly it deploys? I know from riding as a Marshal, all the pros have two power poles, and they use them a lot! I have heard several say they wouldn't be without them. They are very handy. They use them more at weigh-ins and putting boats in in the morning. They also use them as a brake. They will rip into the bank and as they do, they will drop their power poles a few feet and it slows the boat down. Those guys are always one speed, wide open. Two years ago most had them, and a number only had one. This past year all the Elite pros had them and all had two.
One pro told me that if it came down to money he'd do away with a jackplate and get the power pole.
The Talon is new so not too many had it yet. Two of either is way better than one IF you can afford it. As I said above, the Talon is very fast to deploy from what I saw down in Flippin. Maybe I'll get a chance to check out BryanP's double Talons close up this spring sometime?? Didn't I see you say somewhere that you would have two on your new boat Bryan? (darn memory)
So far from what I have read I would choose the Talon. No pump to deal with. That is just another thing that could go wrong. I like to eliminate equipment failure possibilities where I can when on the water. Nothing against the Power Pole as I have read that it is very dependable. They also have low warranty return numbers. Talon's numbers were not available in the technical reports I read about both products. After the 2011 season it will be interesting to compare those warranty numbers.
BD ;D
Dan, Not sure about "new" boat lol! But I will have them on my current boat if springtime ever gets here. The new boat will have to wait another year or two.
I was thinking that since the the Talon goes straight down into the water, it might hold faster than a pole that has any kind of angle on it under same conditions. Just like you have to let out 3 times the depth on an anchor line to hold because of the angle. I've noticed drag with much current / wind on the power poles, but also note that it was in soft bottom areas that were maybe deeper than poles can be expected to hold much. Side by side comparison would be the way to be sure about differences and similarities.
I thought the Talon was faster to deploy, but had not seen them both at the same time.
Guess I now recall your comment was two on the existing boat. ;D That'll work too. Do you think you'll be able to get under the bridge still out from Metro Beach?
Spring will get here! It just feels a long ways off today in particular.
It's a cool gadget for sure. A question for the folks that have one... how does it change the way you fish? I thinking it might give you more to time to hammer a windy bank, or as many casts at want at that dock????
I know I've liked the use of one when I've been in a boat that has one. Especially in rivers or other current situations. Especially if moving towards a sudden pod of bass and you want to stop fast without disturbing them. Only works in less than 8 feet of water, shallower depending on bottom. If they ever come up with a 16-footer, we'll really have something awesome!
I did research on both, and ordered my Talon last week. We are going to have the Talon on display at the upcoming boat shows if anyone would like to see it. Please feel free to give me a call or email if you have any questions, or need tickets to any of the shows.
Thanks
Rob Bakeman
Wilson Marine
248-425-2068
rjbakeman@hotmail.com
Great! I need to take a closer look at them again since it will be a couple, three months before I can get BryanP to take me out spring bass fishing with his!
I've been looking at some talon pics on facebook and I can't believe it took me this long to realize this...Bridges!!! The talon won't let you under some bridges that you'll be able to get through with powerpoles. A lot of times last year I would drop the motor/jackplate and then drop the power poles a bit, and I could sneak under a low bridge. One I'm sure we all use is the shortcut at Metro beach, always had to lower the powerpole on that one. Just something you might want to consider when mounting the talon, go as low as you can get away with.
-Matt
I'm going to look at how the unit can be lowered and put back up for that very situation later this spring.
just seen this at BBC http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0g49FhnPVU&feature=player_embedded
Makes me wonder if that video was rigged somehow? If not the Talon looks to be garbage compared to the PP when holding on the move. Good luck to anyone who bought one...
Seems strange considering the video I saw that showed the Talon holding against a 250HP Yamaha? I'll know for sure later this spring since I have been in several boats with a Power Pole and I'll get to see some Talons in action next. I'll wait until then before I make up my mind.
Don't know that guy, but I know me!
Holy cow that video makes me wonder! That's a lot of money to spend on something that works so poorly as that video demonstrates. I know I am buying a shallow water anchor this spring, and I was really going towards the Talon. But would that be a mistake? ??? ??? I can just see that happening on Coldwater Lake on a windy day. But that's what I want it for. :-\' Do you spend the extra bucks on a Power Pole, that has been tested and approved by so many angler's? Or gamble on a product that hasn't been tested in the real world?
I found a few things about that video fishy considering what I have seen so far, and the videos I've seen from others I know of the Talon in operation. I'll find out for sure sometime this spring when I go out in a Talon-equipped boat.
I don't know the person who put up that video and I am always less likely to believe someone who comes along and posts one time (whether text or a video) anywhere so conveniently and timely.
I just can't say for sure until I see the Talon in real operation this spring. I have already seen several Power Poles in operation. After I spend some time with the Talon, I'll know for sure on my own. A much better test than a video that did not show the whole boat from a one-time poster that I do not know who also appeared to use different angles between the two and different mounting (Power Pole direct to the hull and Talon on a bracket).
Yes this video does seem sketchy with power poles overwhelming dominance over the Talon. Although if I am not mistaken the Talon is telescopic and does not use hydraulics, commen sense would make me think it will not be close to the stopping power of the power pole especially when trying to stop in the wind. If guys decide to buy an untested product because it says minn-kota on it over the proven power pole they are taking a big risk in my opinion.
I was seriously thinking about getting a Talon this spring, but now I'm not sure. I don't take much stock in the overall dominance the PP had over the Talon in stopping distance. Who knows what else is going on? There could be a guy on the front using a trolling motor to rig the results.
What I don't like is how the Talon got stuck down. I've heard the guy wasn't using the remote properly, and I've heard he was. All I know is if there's some sort of flaw with the telescoping pole I don't want one. If it can get stuck like that, you'd have to unbolt it and remove it, otherwise your screwed. Not a chance I want to take in a tournament.
Also, has Minn Kota seen this clip? I'd like to hear their response to it. It sucks cause the whole thing could be bogus, but it's got my attention for sure....
The guy was standing right next to it. Why didn't he reach over and use the switch on the unit itself?
Good question. Strange video based on what I have seen and been told so far. I would hope any of us are smart enough to not be swayed by one video from a one-hit wonder poster on Youtube. None of us know who that person is, or what affiliations that person might have. Many things could have occurred in that 'production' to sway people untruthfully. Too many questions from that one video that conveniently came out of nowhere for me to put any stock in it.
I'm going to go by my own firsthand comparisons later this spring. I've seen the Power Pole in action a number of times. Since the Talon is brand new, I have not seen it in action on a lake yet, just on tests online and at the Ranger factory.
Once I see the Talon this spring, I'll share video that I'm able to get out of the experiences. I don't have any video available of a Power Pole in action because I have only been with others who use them when I wasn't able to take video. If someone who owns a Power Pole wants to take me out to get some video of it in action this year, we can try to set that up.
If I have video of both in action, people can look at the features of the available products and decide with good information which product best meets their needs. That is always my goal on this website.
That does not mean that I won't sometimes promote specific products I personally believe in or share why I like one brand or model over another. What I will not do is lie or trick any of you by saying or showing something I know is not true.
Here's some information about the Talon from Minn Kota for anyone interested in knowing more about that new product:
Talon's innovative engineering and design provide many performance advantages, leading with the fastest deployment time compared to any product in its category. The Auto Up/Down feature needs only a quick press of a button for fully automatic deployment. This eliminates the need to continually press the button until the spike is completely deployed, wasting valuable fishing time. Stowing is just as easy and quick with a press of a button. Talon can be operated from the control panel or wireless remote. Two wireless remote controls come standard.
Talon assures a secure and solid position by providing the highest anchoring force on the market. The exclusive Auto-Drive feature drives the spike into the bottom with three successive hits with increased force on each hit.
When winds and currents pick up, anglers can activate Rough Water mode which repeats the Auto-Drive feature sequence three additional times at ten-second intervals to ensure a secure hold. With Built-In Wave Absorption, Talon's spike remains securely locked to the bottom in rough water conditions.
With no hydraulics, Talon is easy and less expensive to install, and doesn't take up valuable storage space. Talon's versatility of adjustments, both vertically and front/back tilt (30 degrees), allows it to be mounted to any boat configuration without the need of additional shims.
When not in use, the lightweight Talon can be easily taken off the boat, thanks to its Quick Release Bracket (comes standard).
Operating from the boat's existing battery setup, Talon vertically deploys the spike, without fish-spooking noise. To gauge the depth of the deployed spike, the angler can simply glance at the unit's LED indicator lights which display deployment in one-foot increments. When ready to move to the next location, Talon's notification alarm warns users if they start their outboard engine while the spike is still deployed.
Taken from their press release of July 2010 - http://www.minnkotamotors.com/company/pressroom/current/07-2010-Talon.aspx
I'm responding to this post and the video referenced, since it brings into question the performance of our Talon Shallow Water Anchor. Based on thousands of hours of testing in real life fishing situations, we are 100 percent confident Talon performs at a level above and beyond any product currently on the market. We stand behind the years of research and development we have put into this product. I welcome your comments by contacting me at jbrown@johnsonoutdoors.com.
Joe Brown
Minn Kota Marketing Director
Quote from: Minn Kota on February 03, 2011, 06:24:24 PM
I'm responding to this post and the video referenced, since it brings into question the performance of our Talon Shallow Water Anchor. Based on thousands of hours of testing in real life fishing situations, we are 100 percent confident Talon performs at a level above and beyond any product currently on the market. We stand behind the years of research and development we have put into this product. I welcome your comments by contacting me at jbrown@johnsonoutdoors.com.
Joe Brown
Minn Kota Marketing Director
Obviously you back your product. I personally love the fact that you've taken the time to respond to the video in question...
I would really like to hear more about what you think is going on in that video such as is the Talon being used properly? As I said before, my biggest concern is can the Talon get stuck as it is claimed in that video?
Quote from: Minn Kota on February 03, 2011, 06:24:24 PM
I'm responding to this post and the video referenced, since it brings into question the performance of our Talon Shallow Water Anchor. Based on thousands of hours of testing in real life fishing situations, we are 100 percent confident Talon performs at a level above and beyond any product currently on the market. We stand behind the years of research and development we have put into this product. I welcome your comments by contacting me at jbrown@johnsonoutdoors.com.
Joe Brown
Minn Kota Marketing Director
Its great that minn kota took the time to respond but that just reads as a vague statement that anyone would say to back there product. What us fishermen need minn kota to do is put up an UNBIASED video proving that the talon has the same holding power as the power poll in bad conditions. Maybe hire a couple boat owners that have no connection to either company to run some similar tests with a camera man.
Each company has their own preference for how they market. I'm much more impressed that Minn Kota took the time to come on here and say if you have questions, here's my personal email address. Please email your comments / questions directly to me.
I would ask that you take advantage of the opportunity and email Joe Brown directly with your comments if you want to be sure they are seen. Although I have mentioned many times that industry people do check in here to see what comments are going on, it is not a daily thing, nor can we expect to always get a personal response on a thread considering all the websites and threads out there.
I'm pretty happy a marketing director of a large company took that time to provide a direct contact opportunity to anyone who has comments or questions about their products. That is their preference in how to handle comments and questions. If you are serious about being heard and possibly getting a response, take him up on the offer. It's a good opportunity.
Personally, I'm more than a little surprised that any intelligent person would put too much belief into a video so easily where the maker is unknown, a stranger, and there's even a possibility that it is a purposefully misleading video. That sure isn't how I make my purchase decisions.
you know whats funny? That video "talon vs power pole" is no longer on Youtube. Wonder what happened. ::)
I currently have a Power Pole and love it, however, the Talon was not around last year when I put my PP on or I would have looked at one. Minn Kota has a reputation for making a quality unit and I am sure this is no exception. As far as less moving parts, I am not sure about that, they both need an electric motor, and a drive of some kind. One drive the hydraulic pump, while the other drive the SCR, linear actuator or ?? of the Talon. There may be less in the mechanical side, with the design of the PP deployment articulate.
Being in hydraulics all of my life, I know that you cannot compress oil, and with the correct valving, the PP will not move, and that does seem to be the case with mine. There needs to be a small amount of 'slop' in the design of an SCR or linear actuator control, which to me would mean a little better holding lock for the PP. The Talon seems to address that with the shock absorber design.
If you have a short garage door, as some of my friends, then you will need to remove the Talon each time you put the boat away. Still I like the thought of not having an extra power unit in the back of my boat, (except I have considered taping into that unit for other ideas to be used on the boat).
If I was in the market for one this year, I would get my hands on a Talon and see it first hand before making any decisions.
Just my two cents...
A lot of talk about going under bridges, and getting in garages. Let me know if I'm seeing this wrong, but every picture I've seen of the Talon mounted on a boat, it doesnt stick up as far as the motor. Where is the problem getting under stuff if its lower than the motor?
Quote from: mikesmiph on February 11, 2011, 11:06:51 AM
A lot of talk about going under bridges, and getting in garages. Let me know if I'm seeing this wrong, but every picture I've seen of the Talon mounted on a boat, it doesnt stick up as far as the motor. Where is the problem getting under stuff if its lower than the motor?
Mike - I'm with you. Every picture I've seen of the Talon shows that the top is lower that the big engine and I would imagine with the engine trimmed up going into a garage on your trailer, it would be lower. So if you can back it in without dropping the engine, I don't think you'll need to take it off.
That's what I've seen too. I believe you can adjust the height on install a little. There's supposed to be a fairly quick release capability - easy on, easy off. Just more of those things I'll check out when I get more firsthand time with one this spring.
I'm like everyone else, I want to buy the most dependable unit I can afford that best meets my needs. Be a while before I can afford anything but at least I'll have some time to get to know the Talon better. And like I said, I've been in boats with Power Poles but not in a situation where I could take video so if someone has one that wants to do some video of it in action later this year, contact me.
I like content that is of interest to all of you.
Just as a quick note; there has been a big slam campaign going on over the Talon from a group of people (power pole pro staffers?). Since this product is the first real challenge to the Power Pole's market share, it's no surprise. As everything with the Internet, take it with a grain of salt.
Quote from: mikesmiph on February 11, 2011, 11:06:51 AM
A lot of talk about going under bridges, and getting in garages. Let me know if I'm seeing this wrong, but every picture I've seen of the Talon mounted on a boat, it doesn't stick up as far as the motor. Where is the problem getting under stuff if its lower than the motor?
I ended up getting a Powerpole. I've only gotton to use it a few times so far, but I'm very happy with it. I went with the foot switches at the bow instead of the remote. I went that route mostly because of the cost factor, but again I'm very happy with that choice too. No reaching for a remote when fshing or fighting a fish. Also I can easily run the PP and TM at the same time AND it saved me over $200.
I have gotten to play with a couple Talons (not in the water) and I will say it seems they do go down faster that the PP. To over come that I just started to lift my PP a little when I wanted to move so it only had to go down a foot or so when I wanted to stop again. The PP also held the boat in place very well in 20 mph wind and a good chop on the water last Sat.
I really like how my PP is mounted compaired to the Talon I looked at the other day. My PP bracket is black and mounted between the boat and the jack plate so it's not very big. The Talon was mounted between the motor and the jack plate and the bracket was huge so the motor wouldn't hit when turning. Also the bracket looked like an unpainted, unfinished piece of aluminum and just didn't look very nice to me. For that kinda money I think it should look nice too ;)
As far as the height, the Talon I saw at the show was below the outboard at towing trim height. That one must have been a 6' because after looking at this 8' Talon recently I learned it sticks up pretty high. Looked to be higher than my 8' PP. I have a standard size garage door in my polebarn that I back into and I'd say I've got about 2" to spare when backing in. I'm not sure if that boat I looked at with the 8' Talons would make it in.
Anyways, that's all I've learned since I last posted about it. Hope it helps some. I'd still check out both if you're in the market, but I love my Powerpole!!! ;D
Make sure you have a cut off switch hooked up to the poles. With the foot switches a boat cover or a puddle on the cover can hit the switch. You don't want to drag that think down the highway.
-Matt
Thanks for the tip.
With modern covers put on properly it's a non-issue though...
Also, it takes a good amount of pressure to press the button down. It's not like something just laying on the down button is going to press it down...
I am getting 2 new Talons on my new boat coming later this month, I would be glad to let anyone come and try them out. I am excited, I have never had either a power pole or a talon but I weighed the odds and Minn Kota puts out one heck of a great product and Wonderland Can repair them being a Minn Kota service center so I opted for the Talons. However if someone is looking to buy either a Power pole or a Minn Kota Talon Wonderland Marine west is now an authorized dealer for both so we can get you hooked up.
Chris Williams