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Title: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Mike S. on July 27, 2010, 09:31:17 PM
I have a 65# MinnKota 24 volt trolling motor on my boat.  When I bought the boat, 7 weeks ago, it moved along pretty good.  Now, on 5, it barely goes.  There are a few things I am wondering about.  First, if I have a weak battery, will it still run?  I know I need new batteries, but I'm waiting until I make a decision on a charger.  Secondly, there is a breaker in the back of the boat with 2 reset buttons.  I don't remember why, but i pushed them both one day.  1 works, and the other one didn't.  Well, 1 pushed easy and the other didn't.  Could this be my problem?  I've never had a 24 volt tm before, so it's all new to me.  Or, do I need to throw down some big money and get a new tm?  If so, help me figure out how to break it to my wife. ???
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Cy on July 27, 2010, 10:01:19 PM
If the voltage is low, below 24volts...the trolling motor should still run but it won't run well.  You need to check the voltage on those batteries.  You could also get a hydrometer and check the specific gravity of each cell on that batteries to find out if you have a bad cell.  But if those batteries are over 3 years old then they probably need to be replaced.

Cy
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: ronhuntfish on July 28, 2010, 10:22:09 AM
Check for corroded wires and/or battery terminals.  You never know.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: gr@ssmonkey on July 28, 2010, 11:13:42 AM
u probally need new batteries,but the next time its going slow,put your hands on that breaker and some of the wiring and see if it's hot,even warm is no good u have a bad ground or some wiring isn't looking to good
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Frank on July 28, 2010, 10:48:53 PM
get a volt meter and check the voltage.  it should be 24v  then check the voltage again up front at the trolling motor.  if its lower you have a wiring problem.  just keep checking it at different spots until you isolate the problem.  if it has good voltage take it to K&D they are authorized minkotta repair shop.  they fixed mine very quickly

Frank
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: djkimmel on July 29, 2010, 02:07:59 PM
Check your trolling motor plug too - male and female ends - to see if you spot any signs of resistance which could show as warping, melting or burning from heat. That would give you some idea if you have a wiring problem.

#1 most likely as mentioned is a battery problem. If one battery is going bad, you will have a problem like you are describing.

Ideally (no hindering factors like money or spouses ;D ) you want to have two batteries of the same type, age and size to run your trolling motor from.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Mike S. on July 29, 2010, 05:26:18 PM
I am going to buy 2 new batteries this week.  The hard part is deciding between Interstate, Deka, or Optima.  If that doesn't work, maybe a new boat? ??? :o
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: champion_206 on July 30, 2010, 12:24:59 AM
Quote from: mikeszr800 on July 27, 2010, 09:31:17 PM
I have a 65# MinnKota 24 volt trolling motor on my boat.  When I bought the boat, 7 weeks ago, it moved along pretty good.  Now, on 5, it barely goes.  There are a few things I am wondering about.  First, if I have a weak battery, will it still run?  I know I need new batteries, but I'm waiting until I make a decision on a charger.  Secondly, there is a breaker in the back of the boat with 2 reset buttons.  I don't remember why, but i pushed them both one day.  1 works, and the other one didn't.  Well, 1 pushed easy and the other didn't.  Could this be my problem?  I've never had a 24 volt tm before, so it's all new to me.  Or, do I need to throw down some big money and get a new tm?  If so, help me figure out how to break it to my wife. ???
take a volt meter and see how many volts you have at the TM, at the plug, you have a bow mounted TM I take it ? yes you should have a breaker for your TM, but usually when that goes you will not have pwr and your TM will not work
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: LennyB on July 30, 2010, 01:19:56 PM
Give the guys at complete battery in Redford a call. They are hard core bass fisherman and know batteries well. They carry the named brands like Optima and such but will probably recommend the house brand, which is made by a major brand, because they are excellent and at a much lower cost. Myself and partner guide Gerry Gostinek use them and can say they work great. 8 to 10 hrs a day every day.
Len B.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: djkimmel on July 31, 2010, 02:33:02 PM
He's all the way over in Muskegon.

Mike go with the Deka Batteries and don't look back. That will be one less worry for you. Did you check the batteries though? Did you look at the plug and receptacle? Corrosion? Signs of heat? You want to make sure there isn't something else going on.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Mike S. on July 31, 2010, 04:40:53 PM
It's definitely my batteries.  One of them has a crack in it.  They are 4 years old, and are cheaper batteries, so no big deal.  Buying a new pair today.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Mike S. on July 31, 2010, 09:40:06 PM
It's definitely NOT the batteries, or connections.  My trolling motor is on its last legs.  At least I have new batteries.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: djkimmel on July 31, 2010, 11:13:24 PM
I was afraid there might be more to it. Don't throw the trolling motor out just yet. It can be very likely it is wiring or the plug connection. Loose connection. Corrosion. Enough resistance will make any electric motor seem damaged.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Mike S. on August 01, 2010, 12:31:16 PM
I'm going to do some digging first.  I don't think the wife will take too kindly to a new tm this year.  I'll figure it out.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Cy on August 01, 2010, 02:00:19 PM
You can also check with Great Lakes Communication in GR.

4970 West River Dr.Comstock Park,MI49321-8521
(616) 647-9990

They do Minn Kota repair and parts.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Durand Dan on August 01, 2010, 04:44:30 PM
I hate postings like this! My trolling motor crapped out on me today. Turns out it was the grommet on the foot control micro switch. Pretty cheap fix if I can find one in the area.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: djkimmel on August 01, 2010, 06:24:04 PM
Yeah... me too :) But my zap was from a wheel bearing that suddenly (after long time never having this problem) burned on a harrowing 17 mile drive home to my house from a local lake. Half the bearing is gone... so it actually must have been going bad for a while. I hadn't felt any heat until I came home from a 3 hour drive from camping with the kids Tuesday, and then it wasn't enough (as hot as it was that day) to say I had a problem. Guess I had a problem! AND I forgot to put sunscreen on my chin!!! Do you know what happens to a redhead who does that?!?

My trolling motor is so old and worn I don't dare even THINK about it!!! I don't need anymore expenses right now either. (Just in case... I did buy a new $25 paddle ;D )
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Mike S. on August 02, 2010, 09:03:41 PM
That's funny about the wheel bearing, Dan.  I took my boat to LSC on the 9th of July, and was lazy and didn't do check my bearings out.  We made it there and back, luckily.  But, the next day I took mikesmiph out on Muskegon, and waxed a bearing.  I saw smoke pouring off it in my rear view mirror.  Good thing I only live 2 miles from Fisherman's.  I just did the other side today.  As for the tm, I haven't had time to mess with it.  Been looking for a good deal on a new, bigger one.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: djkimmel on August 02, 2010, 10:18:25 PM
I've been real lucky with bearings. The old design on my Ranger Trail trailer has a lot to do with it. Very good design that holds grease well and helps you avoid overfilling easily. Sealed very well.

I almost wonder if the cap got knocked off somehow? That will do it in a hurry. Could be a bad bearing too maybe. I put all new bearings on all axles last time I redid everything. May have been one that wasn't super smooth though I hadn't felt any heat in a long time. I always check right away as soon as I pull off for a pit stop, or get to the lake or get home.

Well, good luck with your trolling motor situation.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Bassomatic on August 06, 2010, 10:51:12 PM
Take the prop of your TM to see if there is some fishing line or something wrapped up in there.  It can make a big difference.


Scott.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Mike S. on August 07, 2010, 03:12:24 PM
I took the prop off and there was nothing.  Thursday night, I went fishing with my buddy that I got the boat from, and while he was here I had him look at it.  The tm has a 12 volt or 24 volt switch on it.  On 24 volts, it runs, but slowly.  If you switch it to 12 volts, it won't do anything.  I have to look at my wiring.  Maybe I have something switched around?
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: djkimmel on August 07, 2010, 08:30:06 PM
Look at the plug first. The jumper. The connections inside the plug and at the back of the female end. Most common cause.

A less common cause is the control board in the motor. But often that means you have hi bypass only and slow power otherwise so I'm still betting on loose or corroded wiring.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Mike S. on August 07, 2010, 08:45:19 PM
I'm not seeing anything with the plug as the issue.  I was just out playing with it and I am 100% certain that it is only pulling power from 1 battery.  I disconnected them one at a time, and found that it is running from just one, while the switch on the motor is on 24 volt.  If you switch it to 12 volts, it just stops running on 1 or 2 batteries.  I chased the wires from the battery it isn't running from, to the breaker in the back of the boat, and tried to reset it.  Of the 2 buttons on the breaker, the one on the left is the only one that will push in.  When I hooked that battery back up, I got sparks.  The other battery doesn't do that.  I am posting a pic of the breaker, so that you can see what I'm talking about.  I am going to pull it out tomorrow and see if there's a bad connection to it, being as it looks pretty crusty in the pic I took.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: djkimmel on August 07, 2010, 11:30:40 PM
That would be the next place to look for a loose,corroded or bad connection. You might just need a new breaker switch which is a lot cheaper than a new motor. Good luck.
Title: Re: Trolling motor power loss
Post by: Mike S. on August 08, 2010, 06:04:07 PM
The breaker switch for the second battery is shot.  I have power from the battery to the breaker, but nothing from the breaker to the tm.  Now I just have to find a pair quickly here in town.  Figure I might as well change both while everything is apart.  Thanks for the help guys.