I have seen alot of traffic this spring on other sites about changes to the Canadian regs as far as boater crossings and the need to call in......
I called the Canadian reporting agency this morning and they said nothing has changed you only need to call in if you anchor or come ashore in Canada....
The number that I called is..1-888-226-7277 if you want to confirm yourself..Which may not be a bad idea....I never trust anything that I read on the internet that is why I called myself..
Here is a directory of numbers relating to boating and entering Canada..
http://boating.ncf.ca/linksgov.html#customs (http://boating.ncf.ca/linksgov.html#customs)
There is conflicting information coming out of Canada on this....Mini Called the CBSA and got a different answer....They told him all boats crossing into Canadian waters need to call in Regardless....Some new law that came out in March 2010...Sounds like the different agencies aren't talking...
I guess stay tuned...
You can not bring American bought Canadian beer into Canada. All Canadian beer must be purchased in Canada using an approved Brew Consumer Card you can get only at the bridge crossing on Tuesdays. Just an FYI
That could complicate your tournaments!!
I did my usual rounds this spring at the shows asking the same questions of several US and Canuck. As usual I got a couple conflicting answers. A yute officer said that other guy wouldn't know what he was talking about when I mentioned my consternation.
Dan, I hate to post about a thread on another site but I don't want to rehash 9 pages of information....There is a post on lakestclair.net about crossing into Canadian waters to fish....If you fish Canadian waters you are going to want to go over there and read it....
Basically if you are going into Canada to Fish by boat you have to call in....I don't have a clue on how all of that works but hopefully things get ironed out in the next month or so....
Until I see the law (not some other web page) that says fishing is "arrival in Canada" then I won't worry about it. If I don't touch Canadian soil or drop anchor, I have not arrived.
Drifting the river (like near Fawn island) you may "cross" the border 100 times a day. Am I supposed to call each time? LOL
Being that I fish the Pelee Island area quite often,I did call Canada to get an explanation.The way I understand it is the laws have definitely changed from last year.Last year you could fish Canadian waters as long as you didn't anchor,touch a Canadian boat,or go ashore for any reason.This year the law says that if you enter Canadian waters for any reason,including fishing,you have to make the call.The person I spoke to says that they have been writing out warnings like crazy,I guess after you have received a warning,the next time you get caught they will confiscate your boat and make you pay a fine.Like Seth said if you're out fishing and you cross over into Canadian waters several times during the day,how can they expect you to call each time? This was a government employee I spoke with,so I'm assuming this is a real issue.Looks like I won't be fishing Pelee this year,or at least until this matter gets resolved.
Quote from: SethV on June 01, 2010, 03:10:26 PM
Until I see the law (not some other web page) that says fishing is "arrival in Canada" then I won't worry about it. If I don't touch Canadian soil or drop anchor, I have not arrived.
Drifting the river (like near Fawn island) you may "cross" the border 100 times a day. Am I supposed to call each time? LOL
I have just been reading the info that John Maniaci has been puting out on LSCN..It sounds like he has spent some time back and forth with Canadian officials on this...I would consider him a reliable source.....
I just want to know the bottom line..Where do we have to call from and what are our options....???
Is this just a way to get everyone to buy Nexus cards??
Yes its true. I will try to tell you the cliff notes version.
You cross the imaginary line and call 1-888-226-7277. This is the NON Nexus number. If you have a Nexus card you will have a different number to call (more on Nexus cards later). Once you talk to the CBSA (Canadian Border Security Authority) you will be instructed to go to a CANPASS approved inspection station and will be given a time to expect a CBSA official (it can be up to 4 hours). There are a few on the Canadian side, pretty much at most major ports. If the inspector does not show at the time promised you are pretty much free to go, but you can bet without a Nexus card you will be asked for documentation (passport, drivers license and birth certificate). You will be given a boaters registration number and you have now officially entered Canada.
Then upon your return to the US you must report back in to US Customs (I am unsure of the number at this time). You will need the same documentation and an I68 form. The I68 form can only be acquired from the INS office in Port Huron or the office in Detroit. You have to be fingerprinted, photographed (actually I think you have to provide them) and interviewed. There will be a background check on you as well prior to you receiving an I68. It is good for 3 years. If you do not have an I68 form you will be instructed to go an official point of entry (you guessed it....Port Huron or Detroit) where you will be inspected and have to show your passport, drivers license and birth certificate.
If you do have a Nexus card, you call the number that pertains to that, give them your info and they give you a boaters registration number (I think its an 18 digit number). If you are pulled over by the authorities you can give them that number and all should be good. In order to obtain a Nexus card you must report to Canadian Customs in (you guessed it) Port Huron or Detroit. You will be photographed, finger printed, interviewed and a background check will be done. If you have any outstanding warrants, any felony convictions, misdemeanor convictions, DUI's, are found to be a member of an organization (or former member) that Canada deems as a terrorist org......you can and will be denied entry into their country. If denied you can apply for a rehabilitation exemption and it will cost $250. There may be more costs to prove you have been rehabilitated.
In order to obtain an I68 you will have to go through the same procedures as above (except the rehab exemption, unsure if the US has one of those. I do believe the application fee for an I68 is $50, unsure about the Nexus card application fee but I think I have heard $150.
ALL PERSONS ON BOARD MUST HAVE THESE DOCUMENTS....so in a draw tournament...well you get the idea.
So.........there you have it. I wish it wasnt true....I for one will not be fishing in Canada until this is changed nor will I be fishing in tournaments that are open to Canadian waters. I know there will be people that risk it. And by doing that they are illegally crossing an international border and that would fall under a rule violation (depending on the tournament) and I consider that to be cheating.
I guess cheating is a harsh term. I will stick with a rule violation.
They have already got 75 dollars for my license.... >:(
This should make the BASS Open interesting...Puts alot of water off limits when launching out of the south Detroit river.....
I would be willing to bet that alot of Local Opens will be closing down Canadian waters.....It is going to make fishing the LSC River about Null and void....
Mini, I know you "talked" to someone, but I want to see the law in writing that defines "arrival" in Canada. I always carry my passport in my boat, but I have no plans to call in or anything of the sort UNTIL I see a clear defined law.
Then call and ask for it! The rules have been that way for years (i think) and there was an agreement to allow people to come and go as long as they dont land. if you want to play the game, then get your warning go ahead. the second time your boat is gone.
call the number and ask for yourself.....maybe they will send you a letter explaining it to you.
Realistically, the only way to solve this is for everybody to call or e-mail and tell them you will never buy a Canadien license again or spend another dime in Canada again. If enough people do it they may reconsider but I doubt it. All this is, is another money grab like the outdoors cards. Motocross is right.
I bought a fish costume.
I think, based on my reading of the US CBA site, that the NEXUS card can be used instead of the I68 when returning to the US side.
There are a TON of check in points on the Canadian side for NEXUS card holders . . .
To, me it looks like either stay out of Canada or get a NEXUS card . . .
NEXUS application fee is $50
correct on the fee and the fact that a nexus can be used in place of an I68....
I am still learning this myself.
Quote from: tcmono on June 02, 2010, 10:11:25 AM
I think, based on my reading of the US CBA site, that the NEXUS card can be used instead of the I68 when returning to the US side.
There are a TON of check in points on the Canadian side for NEXUS card holders . . .
To, me it looks like either stay out of Canada or get a NEXUS card . . .
Correct. The worst part is tournament fishing or guiding. ALL people on board need a nexus card. And you still can be aslked to report to an inspection station even if you do have a nexus card, from either side US or Canada. If you have to report to a US Customs Inspection Station it is either Port Huron or Detroit. Thats alot of running and gas....
I actually think it would be easier to run tournaments out of Canada since they can still come and go in our waters.....you will be able to also if you go through customs via truck and trialer.....
UPDATE....reported on LSCN
QUOTE:
A directive was issued by CBSA Headquarters this year that outlined the obligations of Private Boaters to report in. For non-residents the requirement stated that any non-resident entering Canadian waters, whether or not they have dropped anchor or docked, was required to report in a designated marina. The situation was the same for Canadian residents traveling in US waters.
There were logistical and practical challenges that his directive presented to each of the regions. Those concerns were forwarded to our headquarters and a subsequent directive was issued that indicated that adherence to the previous memo was to be suspended pending further review and consultation.
Admittedly, this has been frustrating and confusing for all involved including the boating community, my staff at the Telephone Reporting Centres and our Marine Patrols.
Until any further direction is received we will revert back to past practice of requiring a call in for persons with the intent to drop anchor or dock in Canada.
I hope this clarifies the situation.
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Paul Susko
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Thank you to all that called. I will post elsewhere and call Todd Hamill.
Mini it is great to see you here on GLB. PLease feel welcome and at home. Would you like me to make a fish costume for you as well?
I am so happy now I think I'll take a fish costume too. Even wear it Wooo Hoooo
i have always felt welcome here :)
and i dont think I need a fish costume. I smell like one already :)
i dont know if this has passed anyones mind but for those that have power poles and USE them in canadian water that would probably mean you would have to call in that you will be anchoring correct?...i dont have one :( i just thought you guys should think about that if thats the case.
yes. if you slip off your boat and your foot touches bottom, you have to call in.
So if you happen to drift over the line about every five minutes then you should definitely call and report it and call when you cross back. Maybe if everyone called them 200 times a day they would eventually get the drift. The bad thing is a lot of people won't even know this rule.
More important, even if you do have to call, aren't some tournaments possessing a rule about not being allowed to use a phone except for emergency situations? I don't think crossing into Canada is an emergency, more like an Oops!!
And Wags, I want a fish costume!! It better have big fins too so I can float!!
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. . . So if I'm in Canadian water, and I get stopped by the OPPs do I have to report in when I return to the US 'cause I had physical contact with a Canadian vessel?
I don't know the answer to that one tcmono. I wouldn't think so but you could ask the OPPS? I would think no one expects any funny business from contact with an OPPS boat.
Quote from: tcmono on June 04, 2010, 07:38:51 AM
. . . So if I'm in Canadian water, and I get stopped by the OPPs do I have to report in when I return to the US 'cause I had physical contact with a Canadian vessel?
You would first have to contact Canadian Customs and THEN US Costoms I am sure the OPP would be able to direct you on the procedures from that point forward.
If you havent or are not required to contact Canadian Customs you have not "left" the US so there would be no reason to contact them upon returning.