Looking at one right now... it's an 02 and spotless. SLT version and LOADED to the gills. 4.2 liter straight 6. Drove it for nearly an hour today. Saw a consistant 18 mph on the computer at 75 on the freeway... which is about as good as my 3.0 liter Ford Escape does.
I really liked the ride, the power is decent, and the price is right.
Looking for 1st hand knowledge on the vehicle. Seems like it should tow quite well.
used to tow my rig with my dad's envoy when i still had the danger ranger. same model exactly actually.
tows pretty good, the transmission has an auxillary fan on it which makes it sound like a diesel and run like a dog when towing for extended periods in high heat.... for reference - i only ever heard it after driving for at least an hour in 90 degree heat doing stop-n-go on the back roads. figure on getting about 11-12mpgs towing... the 6 has plenty of power, but gets pretty thirsty under load. i towed my boat 900 miles to canada and back in it with 4 people in the car - no worries.
Hmmm. only 11-12 mpg towing isn't any better than my '01 F150 with a Triton V-8. I might rather have the extra power available not to mention heavier-duty tranny/brakes/etc of a full size truck if mpg is essentially equal. I'm sure it would be a nice vehicle - just throwin out another thought for you. My dad could tell ya what he knows about the durability of that engine if ya want to get in touch with him.
Quote from: fasttrack on February 27, 2010, 09:09:20 AM
Hmmm. only 11-12 mpg towing isn't any better than my '01 F150 with a Triton V-8. I might rather have the extra power available not to mention heavier-duty tranny/brakes/etc of a full size truck if mpg is essentially equal. I'm sure it would be a nice vehicle - just throwin out another thought for you. My dad could tell ya what he knows about the durability of that engine if ya want to get in touch with him.
Don't want a truck as I like to keep a lot of gear in my SUV, and a Tahoe/Yukon won't fit in my garage (too tall because of the roof racks). This 4.2 liter 6 has more HP than your F150 Marc, so I'm not worried about the power at all. Also has a tranny cooler and full tow package. Heck, my Escape only gets 12-13 towing the Triton and only manages around 18 on the freeway so the mileage is a wash from what I'm getting now.
I've looked at a LOT of vehicles in the last month. I like the Explorer too... but haven't been able to find one in my price range that's not all beat up (and their front ends are suspect... roomate has one and it goes thru wheel bearings). And the 4.0 in the Explorer gets less mpg than the Envoy. If it fit in the garage I'd have a Yukon/Tahoe in a heartbeat. The Envoy/Trailblazer/Explorer is a great compromise.
I'm going to ask if I can drive it for the weekend and see how I like it as a daily driver. If the roads were nicer I'd go hook up to the boat but I'm not going to drage it around on snowy/slushy roads.
SUV's are for sallies! sack up and get a truck, sissy! ;D
more HP, less torque i think (i went from that to the 5.4l f150 too mark :) ). I think that 6 has like 285HP, but my old f150 pulling a boat would beat it off the line any day, plus the heavier truck w/out independent suspension is nicer to tow with. I drive a 10,000lb diesel now - takes a hurricane to feel the boat back there now ;D
But seriously that envoy will pull your boat all day long with no issues. i made trips from chicago to sandusky as well Dryden, ontario in it and your boat isn't much heavier than mine. Actually my Dad still has it, drove it to Scottsdale AZ and its the car they use down there when they snowbird. Its got well over 100k on it now.
The boat will wag and jerk you you a bit - but after towing with an escape for a couple seasons, you'll think its a huge improvement. for as much as you tow mike, you might want to think about those helper-bags on the rear-suspension. don't really think you'll need them, but you'll probably get a little more life out of the rear end that way - that kind of weight can't be great for an independent susp. Also they are good in the snow, i think they have open diffs so your 4x4 is really 1 in front, 1 in back - but thats pretty much common on any suv.
Can't go wrong going from a Ford to a GM vehicle. My buddy tows his drag car with a Trail Blazer. That thing on a trailer with tools, and everything else you need to go racing, weighs way more than a loaded bass boat. You won't have any problems.
I just got an '06 Trail Blazer EXT w/ that 4.2 and it is very nice! Gotta believe w/ your Triton in tow you are going to be happy, sir.
Scott
I bought a '05 Trailblazer in October. I have been very happy with it so far. I haven't towed my glass boat with it yet but I did just tow a 16' aluminum boat from GR to central IL last week and it towed fine. One of the reasons I bought it was have to two vehicles I could tow my boat with if I needed to. I will say the gas mileage is not any better then my full size Yukon. I get about 14 on average in the Trailblazer...I would guess considerably less when towing. You should buy it Mike, I don't think you will be disappointed.
Cy
I think I'm buying this vehicle on Monday.
It should work out just fine for you. It will be a little sluggish getting going with lower ft/lbs, and it will pull you around a little bit. (like The Dude said). If it fits in your garage. BONUS! ;D
I would rather have that than an Explorer. I have heard some not-so-good things about the early 2000 Explorers.
Good Luck!
You won't have any problems. I pulled my 18.5 stratos with an envoy and two trailblazers. I never had any issues with any of them.
I have no experience with the Envoy, but I pull my Puma with a 05 Honda Pilot. Get 15 - 18 towing, 22 - 26 hwy without. I do have trailer brakes and good ones though. Pulling is not the issue, you want to be sure you can stop. Sorry guys, I tried the Ford F150, 3 times, all brand new, and all had tranny and/or engine issues. Just got sick of it.
Quote from: Puma on February 27, 2010, 09:05:28 PMSorry guys, I tried the Ford F150, 3 times, all brand new, and all had tranny and/or engine issues. Just got sick of it.
Thats why you buy GM! 8)
Hey Mike. I wasn't tryin to talk u into or out of anything - was just throwin out somethin to think about. As I stated, I'm sure it will be a fine vehicle and will tow your boat around with no problem. I used to have a Ranger with a 4.0L V-6 as well as an Explorer. Had OK power and would get the job done for sure, but like other said 'ya can get more tailing-action with the lighter vehicle, went trhu brakes more, wear on the lighter duty suspension and so on. You made a great point about fitting it into tight quarters - that would be an important consideration. In fact I agree with your whole reply EXCEPT - If ya think that Envoy V-6 has more HP and can out pull my truck then I see a good ole fashion country-boy pulling contest brewing! Other than that, I say but that Envoy - you'll be happy with it!
I tow my Champion 184FS with my 2003 Dodge Ram 1500. It is a light duty 4.7liter small v8 which replaced the 5.2 liter v8 in the Chrysler engine lineup. It has enough power to drag that boat all over Michigan or where ever else I go. I bought the truck new and would never own anything else but a Dodge to pull my boat or anything else. Of course I am a Chrysler employee so of course I would drive nothing else. I do have a backup vehicle for towing. It is a 2002 full size Dodge conversion van with a 5.2 liter V8. It tows awesome. Lots of power. Don't pass up looking at a Dodge whether a pickup or SUV. Jeeps are pretty good too for towing. I towed many boats with my 1991 Cherokee before I got the truck.
BD ;D
Big Dog... I have owned two full sized dodge pickups. A 94 standard cab long box with a 5.2 and a 98 Ext. cab short box 5.9. I'm sorry to say that the 98 totally turned me off to purchasing another dodge product. It absolutely ate front wheel bearings (dealer had no idea why), I had to have the tranny rebuilt at just over 100,000 miles, and the crank shaft broke (yes, broke!) at 143,000 miles. That truck left a very bad taste in my mouth. Sorry. I'm sure their newer products have been improved and maybe in the future I would consider buying one. But for now I'm looking for a SUV that meets my needs.
I don't know anyone personally, who has been happy with their Dodge. They are all major gas hogs, from what I've seen. And, I must say, from the many people I know who have had them, quality is a major lacking. I can think of 3 friends who have bought 1/2 ton Rams, and all have had major transmission problems. I know another guy that bought a 1 ton Ram diesel, and only tows a 16 foot Lund with it. Guess what.....transmission went out. Another buddy of mine has a newer Durango. Major gas hog. My dad and my buddy have newer F150's. Turds. That's all I can say about them. These are just my opinions from what I have seen. But I must say that the majority of people I know drive GM, and would own nothing else.
Well over the past 10 years I have had 2 Z71 pickups and had to have the transmission rebuilt in both of them twice in the first one and 3 times in the second one. Now I own a dodge and have had to have the transmission rebuilt in that one also. I don't think there is a good transmission out there anymore. I have a 2000 ram 1500 with the 360 engine and I am averaging almost 16 mpg with it my Z71's I could not get over 12 with the 350 engine. I have absolutely no problems towing my boat with the dodge. The people that rebuilt this trans said if I was going to be doing alot of towing with it to have a heavy duty torque converter and a shift kit put in and it would help alot. So I did. We will see.
I'd find a better tranny shop. My Silverado has almost 150,000 on the original drivetrain, my last Burb had 240,000 on it's original drivetrain, and pulled a 24 foot enclosed car trailer to and from the races no questions asked. The Burb I had before that one had 150,000 or so on it when it ate the trees. That 350 was a gas guzzler anyways. Both of my burbs had it. The 5.3 in the Silverado does way better on gas, even when pulling. Everything has its flaws, and I am only speaking on what I have seen. And, everyone has their preferences. Not trying to put down anybody's vehicles. Everybody drives what they like, and that's what makes us who we are.
Maybe I am just way to easy on my trucks the only workouts they ever get is towing the boat maybe I should just drive it like I stole it once in awhile. LOL
I really liked my 99' dodge 3/4 with the cummings. Massive truck and it pulled my 16' Lund like nothing was there. Took it to Sturgis with a 26' trailer and 4 harleys in tow no problem. But you better get your wallet out when something happens. It's like fixing a tank. My Chevy Avalanche is a big improvement in my book though. The diesel was a little over kill for my needs.
So Waterfoul.... Whats the story? Is it in the Garage?
This is just like discussing politics. I think I'll pass.
There is only one trans that is almost indestructible, and thats an Allison. But you can only get one of those is you own a GM 2500 or higher with a duramax engine.
I did not make it to the dealer today... just too friggen sick.
THAT I can talk about. Get well soon Mike
Quote from: mikesmiph on March 01, 2010, 10:15:19 PM
This is just like discussing politics. I think I'll pass.
You can say that again. I work for Chrysler.......no matter what, I buy what I build. At least most are driving American Vehicles......except KVD and Durand Dan. Both drive Toyota's. How are the accelerator pedals on those fellas???
BD ;D
I'm not getting in the politics of Ford Vs. Chevy vs.Dodge vs. other. Just a few points of experience -
Envoy -will have no problem towing on the HP side of things. It depends on the boat length though vs the wheelbase length. If its the short wheelbase envoy, and a longer double axle trailer, it will pull it fine, but the trailer will push you around some, especiall under windy and heave braking conditions. If it is the longer wheelbase version, all the better - look at the rear edge of the rear side doos to tell - if the door is in front of the wheelwell, its the longer version, if its in the middle of the wheelwell, s the shorter version.
As far as transmissions go, GM makes a fine transmission. Only things to look for - the towing package on the envoy adda a tranny cooler which is necessary fir towing heavier loads. Look on the option codes on the glovebox door to see if the trailering package was factory installed. What is the mileage ont he vehicle? if its over 75k, was the tranny serviced (fluid and filter) ever in its life?
It should have been done once in that timeframe. If not, be prepared to do it as it would be time. I found that a complete fluid flush including torque converter and replace ment with full synthetic fluid will really keep that baby purring nicely all summer. The synthetic fluid while pricey, does one thing very well - lowers the overall tranny temp under load which is the primary cause of tranny failures, overheating. Pick your favorite flavor/color of fluid, I prefer amsoil, but royal purple and others are very fine products as well. Amsoil lowered the operating temps on my allison tranny almost 20F towing my 520 ranger.
Envoy is a fine driving and towing vehicle - you should be very happy with its performance, especially if you get it for the right price.
Keep us updated.
Pulled all over for the last 3 tears no problems pleanty of power enjoy
Quote from: yukonjack2 on March 03, 2010, 10:33:13 PM
I'm not getting in the politics of Ford Vs. Chevy vs.Dodge vs. other. Just a few points of experience -
Envoy -will have no problem towing on the HP side of things. It depends on the boat length though vs the wheelbase length. If its the short wheelbase envoy, and a longer double axle trailer, it will pull it fine, but the trailer will push you around some, especiall under windy and heave braking conditions. If it is the longer wheelbase version, all the better - look at the rear edge of the rear side doos to tell - if the door is in front of the wheelwell, its the longer version, if its in the middle of the wheelwell, s the shorter version.
As far as transmissions go, GM makes a fine transmission. Only things to look for - the towing package on the envoy adda a tranny cooler which is necessary fir towing heavier loads. Look on the option codes on the glovebox door to see if the trailering package was factory installed. What is the mileage ont he vehicle? if its over 75k, was the tranny serviced (fluid and filter) ever in its life?
It should have been done once in that timeframe. If not, be prepared to do it as it would be time. I found that a complete fluid flush including torque converter and replace ment with full synthetic fluid will really keep that baby purring nicely all summer. The synthetic fluid while pricey, does one thing very well - lowers the overall tranny temp under load which is the primary cause of tranny failures, overheating. Pick your favorite flavor/color of fluid, I prefer amsoil, but royal purple and others are very fine products as well. Amsoil lowered the operating temps on my allison tranny almost 20F towing my 520 ranger.
Envoy is a fine driving and towing vehicle - you should be very happy with its performance, especially if you get it for the right price.
Keep us updated.
The vehicle I was looking at has about 200,000 miles on it (owned by a 78 year old guy who drove back and forth the Florida a LOT). The tranny was rebuilt a couple months ago, and like I said earlier drives like new. It has the towing package but has NEVER towed a thing in it's life. The interior looks like new. The exterior looks like new. This thing was pampered all it's life, just driven down the road a long ways. All the fluids and EVERY scheduled maintenance was done to this vehicle on time, every time. I've seen the service record. The motor has never given a code.
I'm considering low-balling the dealer since they really seem to want to sell it to me. I know this dealer well, several of their top salesmen are good customers of mine (I can litterally see the dealership from the parking lot of my business). I think I will throw the auction price at them and see what they say (buddy works for an auction and gave me a price to start with).
I like my Dodge 1500 SLT. ;) It's a chick magnet!!! :o 8)
BD ;D
I stand behind my Tundra. I just won't stand in front of it! ;D
Quote from: Durand Dan on March 04, 2010, 06:26:53 PM
I stand behind my Tundra. I just won't stand in front of it! ;D
I hear that!!!!BD ;D
200,000 is alot of miles. You have to figure you wont be able to drive it very long unless you put some cash into it. I havent heard of very many vehicles that are over 300,000 without changeing a head gasket or something similiar ($1,000 min). Mostly it will be your ball joints, tierods, brakes/rotors, and anything else under the vehicle. They all add up. I'm sure its a nice vehicle but you have to consider everything. Should be a steal with that many miles.
90% of the time a service engine light is an exsaust(sp?) sensor. It never tells you when you have serious trouble ahead. And its almost impossible to tell when trouble could happen. It could happen with 30,000 or it could happen at 500,000. Good Luck!
Quote from: Waterfoul on February 26, 2010, 10:38:19 PM
Looking at one right now... it's an 02 and spotless. SLT version and LOADED to the gills. 4.2 liter straight 6. Drove it for nearly an hour today. Saw a consistant 18 mph on the computer at 75 on the freeway... which is about as good as my 3.0 liter Ford Escape does.
I really liked the ride, the power is decent, and the price is right.
Looking for 1st hand knowledge on the vehicle. Seems like it should tow quite well.
Mikey,
Amongst friends, now that the details are out, can you tell the price and still say that it is worth it for 200k miles? If you can we're all in for ya, but if it is not something to share now you might wanna sit back and think for a moment... Just speaking from the vioce of "knee-jerk reaction himself".
Scott
I don't know what you are buying it for or what the offer is going to be, but I had an '02 Chevy Trailbalzer that I sold in '06 with 116,000 miles on it and had a hard time trying to dump it for 7k. I had to replace the brakes once and a new set of rubber on mine. I also had the alternator go out on Christmas eve when it was below zero out. That was fun trip!
I liked the SUV and would buy another if I had to.
Good luck.