We got our Football mold in and are getting ready to modify it to hold the screw loc trailer keeper. So in the meantime, we have to figure out which style hook we are going to use. because we value all of your opinions, we thought we would ask your opinion on this matter.
Which hook style do you guys prefer in a football jig? here are the two we are looking at right now. both are a medium wire black nickel hook and both are Mustad Ultra Point.
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I personally prefer the smaller gap hooks because it keeps the profile of the jig smaller and i like smaller profile jigs...but i also like oatmeal raisin cookies with melted american cheese on them. so lets here your opinions.
McCarter himself :-\'
Theres 2 sides to every story on things. always. i personally would go with option 2. a small profile jig is good i like them in some situations. but when you start putting rattles and trailers on things it gets a little crowded.For a football Jig i think option 2 would be best.. it has more play in what u can do with it and wont cram things up and lose fish. But like u, what do i know? i cant eat toast unless it has Peanut butter on it, or eggs without ketchsup.
I would prefer a 4/0-5/0 roundbend 60 degree flateye or the first choice you listed.
I like the top hook better for football jigs myself. Unless you are trying to build a really big bass jig only verses something a little more compact and versatile? I've had better luck hooking bass with the round bend.
Not sure which one sells better on football jigs though? Seems like I see more for sale with round hooks than the EWG.
Here we go.. 60 degree is better hook up % i think. thats what every tube head we throw is right. i guess it depends on your hookset methods really. 90 degree its gonna stand up better i will say that. 60degree is going to drag more. make a little more trouble on the bottom.. get things stirred up.like a craw does. its a hard choice. i would do them in both Brian.
Every Football Jig i have is a 90 degree. i would think youd go against the grain. on this but you are a god that gave me the Sickos. i wont doubt u for a minute.
I meant 60 degree, I must be tired.
From whoopin my Arse??shoulve told me to pack a lunch huh?haha gotta love it
I personnally like the first one since I fish it on spinning tackle. But I also see uses for the wide gap when one adds rattles and a bulkier profile
Dick Courser
I think it should depend on the size of the jigs. On a 5/8oz or less I would like the smaller hook. On a 3/4oz or bigger I would like the bigger hook. There is something about having a big jig with a big hook when you are draggin a 1oz football in 25 fow.
Short answer...both. ;D
Realistic answer...either will work fine, what is more cost effective?
Cy
I like option one for the main reason it fits better in my tackle box. Also can you add some of that smeely stuff called BANG to my jigs. I not talking about the fish scent BANG I am talking ab out that fat cooks stuff it taste pretty good to me I believe the fish would love it. Oh and no PORK Trailers all that swine disease and stuff.
Thanks,
J3
(jeff just joking)
I'll take hook number one. Football jigs are a casting technique for me. I get much better hooksets on casting jigs with a round bend. EWG's seem better for close range or heavy cover.
I always wondered what the looked like without all the lead and skirt stuff on them. i want to sign up for the Nemisis how to fish a Jig clinic. went to the Cheetam crankbait clinic last week on Kent. learned a lot.
option 2. Especially if the jig is 1/2 oz or more. More room for rattles and trailers. Its all personal preference. I have both styles in my box.
option 1!! the smaller profile is nice ...But it all depends where and what im fishing for smallies or largies!!!!!
I Like option 1 better for football jigs, I actually like a 90 degree bend on all my jigs because I think when you cast and pitch them, and then drag them through cover, the position of the knot being higher on the jig head helps it stand up better making it look more like a crawdad in a defensive position. Just my opinion though.
Id like mine to be with option 1 in my 2 special colors, I just mailed you an order today for 75 jigs and 25 bags of stick worms, please add 25 football head jigs to it for an even 100 jigs. :-* ;D
Quote from: cast n blast on April 30, 2009, 06:17:48 PM
Id like mine to be with option 1 in my 2 special colors, I just mailed you an order today for 75 jigs and 25 bags of stick worms, please add 25 football head jigs to it for an even 100 jigs. :-* ;D
Dang Skip, do you like jigs or what?
Even though I'm normally against him, I'm with Pigsmallie on this one. 60 degree round bend - the EWG will tend to make the jig fall over.
;D ;D ;D
yep and especialy Nemesis jigs their SWEEEEEEEEEEET, now I gotta figure out what to do with the couple hundred "other" jigs I have.
Im sure Ill find some rip rap and trees to stick em in on practice days ;)
Quote from: canvsbk on April 30, 2009, 07:28:55 PM
Even though I'm normally against him, I'm with Pigsmallie on this one. 60 degree round bend - the EWG will tend to make the jig fall over.
;D ;D ;D
Why thank you Canvsbk...I appreciate it!!! I agree!!!
Option 1!
Thanks for all the input guys. Looks like the majority of you like the same style hook as me so we will be going with the round bend hook. As much as i would like to offer both, it would be too confusing, at least right now. We are pouring 5 different styles of jig heads right now. We have the Upskirt Jigs that we use 2 different size hooks for and just got 2/0 hooks to make a "mini-skirt" jig that is modeled after my old favorite, the bitsy bug. Small compact jig built with top end components? How can you go wrong? Plus, we have our swim jig line which uses a complete different style of hook. We also pour round and football shakey heads with screw locks under the hook eye that use different style hook, and the Upskirt FB's will have a different style hook than the rest. Not to mention, the FB's will be available in 1/4, 3/8, 1/2, and 3/4 so we will be using 3 different hook sizes to accomodate the different weights. Offering 2 styles of hooks in one jig head would be too much of a head ache right now. I have a headache just typing about it.
We hope to have the FB Jigs available for purchase by mid may. we have the mold but still have to rework for the screw lock. Plus we have been getting slammed with plastic orders, the jig orders are rolling in ( Monzo is still hot but is starting to cool off, Codys craw is heating up in sales already, Nick Carters Magic, GP Roadkill, PB&J, and a bunch of custom color requests have been getting a lot of attention) and we are filling our Pro Staff guys boxes with goodies for the season. Also working on shirts and hats and just got our first shipment of decals for us and the staff.
Busy, busy, busy and lovin every minute of it.
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In closing, here is a shot of Chris's windshield with the new decal action on it.
McCarter himself :-\'
McCarter, even though you are going to offer only the one hook, I think you are short changing yourself by not offering both. The hook in option 2 is going to be better for fall. I would be that customer that would want both. I fish a lot of football heads. I like 'em.....I like 'em a lot!!!! ;) Don't sell yourself short. You may find that option 2 may outsell option 1. The wider gap provides for a better hook up. Just my 2 cents. How much are these going to sell for??? Will you be offering rattles in some??? I have yet to see a football head with rattles unless added by the angler. Innovation will be the key to bigger and better sales. Good luck!!! 8)
BD ;D
We will get some hooks ordered and start working on the mold next week. The molds are not really made for these hooks so we'll see how well they turn out after a lot of filling and grinding but I'm sure we'll get them just right. It will be easier to start with one hook in the beginning but if everything works out both should fit into the mold so adding the other shouldn't be a big deal. We're just trying to keep things a little more simple with a new product at first since it seems like we have different hooks coming out our ears right now.
We are also working on finding the best way to attach rattles since all the skirts are wire tied on we don't use the standard rubber collars that normally hold skirts. There are several options out there that we are working on.