Spin shot style or regular DS hook tied with a palomar? What size?
I've been using the gammy spin shot in size 1 on 6lb with a 3/8 oz ball weight. Haven't broken off any fish. Just wondering if you think you get more action or better hook ups on the palomar rigged setup?
Hey bud, I use exclusively a 2 owner ssw straight shank..... Polamar, tag lined flipped through, weigh varies. 8 lb invisix, pitch not cast your line out to minimize line twist, let bait spin back in place between casts. Slow to go fast brother........
For me
It's a GAM 1/0 DS hook with 1/4 oz, Might go with 3/8 if it's real windy
Works with Senko's or the goby
I use a Gamma finesse hook....Polamer knot....Tatsu or sniper leader on braid...very little issues with line twist....
Lots of guys seem to be going with straight shank hooks like MOJO talked about...I need to try that out
Gammi 2.0 EWG thin wire hook. Palomar with the line threaded back through the eye. Thread that worm on the hook. No nose hookin for me. You remember don't ya??.
I have been using the Owner #2's. The Gammies #1 are about the same size as the Owner #2. I switched to Owners due to the price and they are off set a little bit which seems to help. I use 6 or 8 lb on my spinning setup and never have line twist using a stick bait or minnow. The only time I have line twist is with something with a wider body or if the bait is not hooked correctly. As for weight, try a smaller weight such as a 1/8th which is what I use 99% of the time. It gets it down there in the strike zone and doesn't get hung up nearly as much as the heavier weights.
I use VMC spinshot 1 and 2 sizes on 6 pound fluorocarbon. The owner hooks are cheaper and I don't feel as bad losing one of those instead of the gamakatsu with swivels. I don't have line twist issues and I haven't broken off a single fish using that setup this year. Was fishing the Detroit River last week and used a 1/4 ounce stick-type weight because of the current. Otherwise I tend to fish lighter weights.
For many years now I've been using the Owner Downshot hook in either a 1/0 or 2/0 (they are still pretty small). This is the sharpest hook out there (in my opinion). I like the longer shank on this hook and in a pinch you can texas rig your bait if there are weeds. I've never had a fish bend one straight, and that includes many, many big pike that seem to think the little baits we throw on the DS rig are good to eat!
Normally I use 8lb P-Line floro leader, palomar knot with the tag put back thru the hook, and 15lb Power Pro main line.
Quote from: motocross269 on August 29, 2014, 05:45:21 AM
I use a Gamma finesse hook....Polamer knot....Tatsu or sniper leader on braid...very little issues with line twist....
Lots of guys seem to be going with straight shank hooks like MOJO talked about...I need to try that out
Put your hook under anything soft and tug up (or the fish tugs down). The line and straight shank line up straight to the lowest base of the hook, which is what you drive into the upper lip.
Now do that with your wide octopus ..... the hook curves AWAY from the lip and that creates a lever action at the knot, and sometimes it side hooks or angles away from 90 degrees to the inside upper lip and hence not a good hookset ....... I know we aren't talking physics here but why put yourself at a natural disadvantage ?
I use the Owner Wacky Hook in camo green
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BTW... I used these hooks to catch a bunch on StClair yesterday.
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Oh.... That shank is straight, but that reaches deeper ! Well then brother, I may try those !
How's line twist on those non-swivel hooks when you're reeling the bait back in? Or do you only reel in when you have a fish on...
Quote from: YpsiBass on August 30, 2014, 05:43:52 PM
How's line twist on those non-swivel hooks when you're reeling the bait back in? Or do you only reel in when you have a fish on...
It takes work brother. I learned to hand wind on the spool first. You wouldn't believe how many twists you put in at the very beginning, so once I'm hand wound I attach to my rod & reel, then walk the line down the block. Then wind in using a lot of Reel Magic.
So.... Now I have zero twist ..... With me ? When I'm on the water I pitch not cast. Short tight line, let's the bait spin (only a few per cast) and you'll go most of the day ok. I have more twist on my tube rod because I'm casting longer line out.... Hope this helps.
Why do all that work. Just put 8lb braid on and use a floro leader. Since I can't tie the blood knot I use an inline swivel. You can reel it in all day and never worry about line twist or it flying off the spool.
I'm thinking about trying these in a 12lb version... http://lurepartsonline.com/Online-Store/Swivels/Aquateko-Invisa-Swivels.html
Read>>> http://www.wired2fish.com/aquateko-invisa-swivel-review/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csgK1FQL1EU
Sportsmens Direct has those.
For braid, break off my weight allot....allot, and have to move my hook up a few feet every couple a fish anyway when I swap out hooks so I run out of leader real fast
I use 14lb braid to 10lb sunline. It has the diameter of most 6lb fluoros... I tie the uni to uni knot and have never broke off at the knot. If you don't tie the uni knot perfect it will snap. I often have to tie two times... I use the same hook as motocross, unless it is really weedy or snaggy I will use long shank hooks.
Mojo - That's what I like about these hooks. Changing the hook to weight leader is a piece of cake not a total retie.
https://www.landbigfish.com/Gamakatsu-Hooks/Gamakatsu-Hooks-Swivel-Shot-Octopus-Hooks.cfm
I just wonder if the bulk of it scares away any fish. I may have to load two rods and see if I can tell any difference As aggressive as smb can be, I'm not sure it matters.
Btw - good luck in the open!
Where do you make the braid to flouo transition if you use that set up? I don't like braid to the hook, and that's a lot of hardware I really don't like right at the bait. I'm not saying the fish care, But it hurts my stealth confidence during a tough bite in clear water.
Mike,
I kind of agree with you
I've tried allot of different DS rigs and line
And while I don't really see a diff. in the bit with diff line or extra hardware
There's a huge diff. in the feel
Fluoro is the best feel, It's just a pain in the ass and doesn't last long on a spinning reel
(for a all Fluoro rig I'm going with a bait caster, better line management and it's lighter)
Braid with a Fluoro leader works, But there's a knot
And Coploymer works, It's a so so spongy feel over the other
As far as the hardware
Less would be the best, I've never seen it hurt the bite
If they chould make out a swivel, they could also make a hook
And there not that smart
But I still like Fluoro to just a hook
If any thing its just the confidence that i've eliminated as much as I can.
I typically run about a 12 ft leader of 8lb fluoro with a uni uni knot to 10lb power pro then tie on the swivel shot and use 6 to 24 inches of 6lb for the weight leader depending on what's working.
Hollada,
What's the reasoning with the 6# drop
Vs. just useing all 8# Fluoro
Probably to only break off the bottom if the weight snags up in the rocks... That's why others do it.
My invisiswivels will be here this week along with some new braid and flouro. I hope to test it out this coming weekend.
It's important that you match the diameter of the braid to the floro when using the uni-uni knot. 10 lb braid is pretty thin...
And I really don't like 10 lb braid... it wind knots around the rod tip a lot easier than even 15 lb braid will. Most of my finess set ups are 15 lb Power Pro and either 8 or 10 lb P-Line. The diameters of these lines match up pretty decent.
Manx- to only lose the sinker if I get snagged up The BFL that I fished the lower Detroit river I lost about 6 sinkers to rock snags and no hooks. For the price of the gammy swivel shots, I'll give up a sinker to save the hook!
Waterfowl you are right about the diameter. I think I have 20# power pro on there and not 10.
I have been using the #1 mosquito hooks with great success on #8 Seaguar red lable line floro. You can get a 46 pack of hooks for $11
I just re spooled 2 spinning reels with Power Pro Super Slick 20lb braid and going to use SunLine Sniper 8lb as a leader. My invisi-swivels will be here today, So hopefully I can try this combo out....
Likes and dislikes of this braid?
I like the super slick. Casts great and is quiet
I have it on one spinning reel this season. So far, I have no complaints. It seems a bit stiffer right out of the box but once it's broken in it seems fine to me.
***UPDATE***
I really like these plastic swivels.... But what a pain it is to thread the line through the tiny holes with my old eyes.. ::) The 12lb swivel barely let the 20 lb braid = 6lb mono diameter fit. Same for the 8 lb sniper. :o
I rigged 2 rods up like this and hope to field test this weekend. :)
Quote from: 21XDC on September 05, 2014, 07:20:37 AM
But what a pain it is to thread the line through the tiny holes with my old eyes.. ::)
Time to break out the bifocals, old man!
Quote from: YpsiBass on September 05, 2014, 08:14:56 AM
Quote from: 21XDC on September 05, 2014, 07:20:37 AM
But what a pain it is to thread the line through the tiny holes with my old eyes.. ::)
Time to break out the bifocals, old man!
Hey! Careful there young gun!! Some of us already wear bifocals!!! And keep half a dozen pairs of reading glasses spread thoughout the trucks, boat, house, garage... oh and at the store too. You'll get old some day too... and then we're gonna point at you and laugh! :D
Quote from: YpsiBass on September 05, 2014, 08:14:56 AM
Quote from: 21XDC on September 05, 2014, 07:20:37 AM
But what a pain it is to thread the line through the tiny holes with my old eyes.. ::)
Time to break out the bifocals, old man!
I have been wearing progressive lenses for a few years... I don't wear them much, But I should. I don't like them, but didn't want tri-focals. ::)
Sounds like we need a Drop Shot only outing. Did one on Cass a couple years ago.
Quote from: dartag on September 05, 2014, 09:11:22 PM
Sounds like we need a Drop Shot only outing. Did one on Cass a couple years ago.
I'm in!
My new set up worked flawlessly... ;D
Did pretty good on a drop shot, 3 inch wacky sinko copy in green pumpkin... We had doubles once and I had Jesse hold my bigger fish.
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I just picked up a small pack of #1 Gammies from Gander Mountain on Saturday. I tried it on Sunday to see if there was any difference between hook ups using Gammie or Owner. The Gammie hook broke in two when I pulled it out of a small brush pile. The line wasn't even close to breaking, but the hook broke right off. I was surprised by this. I guess I will stick with Owner hooks for now.
I had my first Owner hook break a couple weeks ago... BUT, I had just landed a very large pike (in the 35" range) on it and had to work the hook out of it's beak. I'm thinking I probably put a crack in the hook with the plyers. Dang pike!
Quote from: Big dreams on September 16, 2014, 11:56:44 AM
I just picked up a small pack of #1 Gammies from Gander Mountain on Saturday. I tried it on Sunday to see if there was any difference between hook ups using Gammie or Owner. The Gammie hook broke in two when I pulled it out of a small brush pile. The line wasn't even close to breaking, but the hook broke right off. I was surprised by this. I guess I will stick with Owner hooks for now.
I go thru at least 25-50 Gam DS a year
Never had a bad one yet.
And i've used Owner in the past, Never had one of those break as well
Really the only hooks I've ever bent have been Bitsy's or the Mustand triple grips on cranks
My thoughts would be there all good hooks
Just remember there's no std. size. A 1/0 gam ds hook might or might not be the same size as a owner, VCM, Etc.
I myself like the Gam, to me they rust the least and I get good hook ups
Quote from: 21XDC on September 07, 2014, 11:18:15 PM
My new set up worked flawlessly... ;D
Did pretty good on a drop shot, 3 inch wacky sinko copy in green pumpkin... We had doubles once and I had Jesse hold my bigger fish.
I like a longer leader on my DS rigs, 6-10' depending on conditions... I just can't see any swivel working for me. All I can see in my mind is the things going thru the tip and ripping the insert out of it.
No doubt that you don't want this swivel running through the guides.... But I used a 3 ft leader total and the fish were not bothered at all... ;D