Anybody purchased it yet, price has went up!!!!!!!!!
actually the price is down a dollar from last year if you bought a trout stamp also. It was 28 if purchased together and 30 seperatly. this year it is 27 . The senior license has gone up a dollar.
Should be $26 for annual resident fishing license (all species - only option now) as of 3/1/2014.
It's $25 plus $1 for the new Wildlife Council Marketing effort that will promote the good that hunters and anglers do for our Michigan natural resources to general citizens.
I purchased it online. I was a little confused as they changed the online process this year but figured it out this weekend. I received an email receipt and couldn't figure out where the actual license was. I think previously there was link and then you could print from there. But no link and I couldn't find it on the website. Turns out the receipt is a two page PDF, even that is clear. The 2nd page had the license.
I always bought my fishing license online because of the option to print as many copies of it as I wanted. I was thinking of buying the fishing and the hunting licenses for 76$ but was concerned that the tags needed for hunting would be mailed and then printing of the fishing might be different. Anybody have an inkling how that would go?
Well...
I just purchased mine online - $26, this is up a lot from last year and seams steep for someone that will not fish for salmon or trout. Is there any benefits for us pan fish, bass and walleye fisherman or am I just supporting salmon and trout fisherman ?
The price increase really doesn't bother me....26 bucks for a license is the cheapest of my fishing expenses and the DNR has been doing a great job IMHO over the last few years...
What I hate is buying that darn Walpole license..... >:(..I rarely fish there but have to have it if I go as a Co angler in major tournaments...Does the Indian Tribe do anything to promote conservation???
I buy 5 licenses a year, I just look at it as part of doing business and my small contribution to the greater good..... I don't have the time to put into lobbying or helping as much as I would like, so license fees are a way to hopefully make some difference.....
The price increase doesn't bother me. Id pay more to enjoy the great fishing our state has to offer. Plus now if I want to fish for the restricted species, I'm already good to go
Quote from: Dropshot on May 16, 2014, 10:26:23 AM
I just purchased mine online - $26, this is up a lot from last year and seams steep for someone that will not fish for salmon or trout. Is there any benefits for us pan fish, bass and walleye fisherman or am I just supporting salmon and trout fisherman ?
You are helping maintain the awesome fishing we have here in Michigan. Ramp maintenance, lake maintenance, etc... Plus, it's still cheaper than any other state around us, and the fishing is better!!!
Take up golf. How much does that cost for a year of playing?
Quote from: Dropshot on May 16, 2014, 10:26:23 AM
I just purchased mine online - $26, this is up a lot from last year and seams steep for someone that will not fish for salmon or trout. Is there any benefits for us pan fish, bass and walleye fisherman or am I just supporting salmon and trout fisherman ?
LOL. You're supporting the state's fishery as a whole.
It is , what it is. I agree with most of the replies in this post. To live in the great lake state, with all this fresh water, clean state parks, great ramps and one of the best state fisheries in the nation, $26 will not break my bank. Besides we have bigger fish to fry. As far as getting a licence, I like going to a baitshop .
We're pushing pretty hard to get a year-round bass season next year for those anglers who want to feel they're getting the extra bang for the extra bucks. I understand and agree. Fishing is good here but we have more opportunity available so let's go get it!
The new $76 nonresident price has persuaded me fish to fish Wisconsin this year.. Granted, I am not taking my long June vacation this year but I am going to take a 1-week July trip that I will go to Door Co instead. At least WI has 7 day and 15 day license options.
I always chuckle at the amount of guys that complain about what they pay for a fishing license when they are rolling around in a $40K truck and $50K boat. Even me being a non resident if i divide my $76 by the number of times I fish in Michigan it really doesn't cost all that much per trip.
The price hike isn't keep very many out of state guys away.....Selfridge today had quite a few guys from Ohio, Indiana and Illinois..Even saw a plate from South Carolina and Texas....
Selfridge had guys parking in the grass by 10 am...
I got in on the license issue just late enough to miss that we didn't have a non-resident or applicable option beyond 3 days for people who make one trip here. By the time I realized my misunderstanding the license package had passed and no one is wanting to revisit the issue after what it took to get passed.
I have mentioned previously I brought the price change and the lack of a license longer than 72 hours up in several high level meetings. The MDNR - with MUCC urging - has stated they will watch the numbers reporting anything back that should be looked at such as drastic changes in non-resident fishing license purchases.
I have also found out that the MDNR Director does apparently have the authority to create something like a 7 or 10 day license under certain circumstances. Realistically, if the sales numbers don't drop significantly (I believe something like 8% reduction is built in to the overall sales due to the increase and changes to all licenses) it might be pretty difficult to add another license any time soon.
I'll keep an eye on it though since the overall goal is to provide more and more stable funding for the MDNR. Over 90% of the MDNR budget comes from user fees.
I wonder if any other groups would be interested in a 7 or 10 day, and maybe a 14 or 15 day fishing license?
Quote from: djkimmel on May 25, 2014, 03:04:35 PM
I got in on the license issue just late enough to miss that we didn't have a non-resident or applicable option beyond 3 days for people who make one trip here. By the time I realized my misunderstanding the license package had passed and no one is wanting to revisit the issue after what it took to get passed.
I have mentioned previously I brought the price change and the lack of a license longer than 72 hours up in several high level meetings. The MDNR - with MUCC urging - has stated they will watch the numbers reporting anything back that should be looked at such as drastic changes in non-resident fishing license purchases.
I have also found out that the MDNR Director does apparently have the authority to create something like a 7 or 10 day license under certain circumstances. Realistically, if the sales numbers don't drop significantly (I believe something like 8% reduction is built in to the overall sales due to the increase and changes to all licenses) it might be pretty difficult to add another license any time soon.
I'll keep an eye on it though since the overall goal is to provide more and more stable funding for the MDNR. Over 90% of the MDNR budget comes from user fees.
I wonder if any other groups would be interested in a 7 or 10 day, and maybe a 14 or 15 day fishing license?
I am very curious to see what these increases do to the number of nonresident licenses sold. Back when I used to have family that owned a cottage in SW Michigan most of the women ended up getting licenses just on the off-chance they wanted to pick up a rod or help the kids fish. I know that they wouldn't be getting a yearly license at $76. Is that a sizable group? Probably not but if you add in all the part-time, casual fishermen that don't fish much. The $76 license could very easily persuade them not to get one.
In terms of a 7-day or 10-day license, it is absolutely the reason why my Dad and I are fishing Wisconsin this summer. Because of having young kids, I can only take a 1-week fishing trip this summer (weekend trips will have to wait several more years). In the future when I can get back to taking my 2-3 week June trip to GTB, the $76 license will not deter me in the least. But this year, either we get 2 3-day licenses at $30 each or we go to Wisconsin and he'll get a 14-day license and I'll get a yearly license so I can also sneak up and fish southern Wisconsin a couple times this summer for 1-day trips. We end up saving enough for a tank of gas. Plus, I get the satisfaction of not giving Michigan my money for a year as a protest to what I think is an exhorbitant increase.
5lbs of walleye and you've covered the cost of an out-of-state license... For those who complain about the price increase, I would be curious to see the estimated price of their harvested game in comparison to the cost of the license.
http://moreysmarkets.com/products/walleye-fillets-5-lb-skin-on (http://moreysmarkets.com/products/walleye-fillets-5-lb-skin-on)
I had said percentage-wise it wasn't as big a difference than some of the other increases but I can understand the issue having shelled out over $100 each year to fish Walpole and Ontario on Lake St. Clair back in the day of a bigger budget. Now that I don't fish tournaments I just buy the Ontario conservation license or even a daily or multi-day license, and skip the Walpole for the few times I get to Lake St. Clair lately to fish.
I told nonresidents to voice their opinions before it was too late to our legislators. Apparently very few took the time to do that so no changes where made. The first time I brought it up to MDNR leadership they seemed unaware that there was any significant complaints. They did say they would look at their nonresident marketing.
I will watch the numbers but so far no one is mentioning a drastic change though it's early yet to get a good idea if there's a significant decrease or not.
I'll be at the Capitol Wednesday for a lobby day to get the ball rolling on the Scientific Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act. MUCC and CPWM announced that we have over 350,000 petition signatures to turn in tomorrow (Tuesday May 27, 2014)!!! WHICH IS AWESOME!!! We need about 260,000 valid signatures to meet minimum citizen's initiative requirements.
Take that radical animal rights groups!! And we've done it with volunteer hunters and anglers!!!! We still need to raise some more money to pay for the petition drive http://www.citizenswildlife.com/donate/, and now we need to make sure we get the Legislator follow through on creating and passing the citizen's initiative act WITH the appropriation so we kill the November anti-hunting votes. Hence the all-day Conservation Coalition lobby day at the Capitol and follow up meetings. I haven't looked at I disagreeignments list yet but I told them to schedule me with whomever they need to.
Thank you to all of you who signed petitions and helped get signatures! We did this together as outdoors persons!! Big pat on the back for everyone who helped!!!
We need to get the Scientific Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act passed as is by the House and Senate in Michigan to keep the authority to name game (and fish) species, and create Fisheries Orders (think new bass season in 2015) with the Natural Resources Commission.
Yep had to jump up the the $76.00 non-rest license and did not think twice about it. Sure I thinks it's high compared to the other state. I have 7 state license 6 non-res. Some of the states charge a sliding scale. They charge non-rest the same fee you home state charges out of state seems very fair. But oh well death and taxes are coming to all of us an a fishing license and DNR ramp permits are just another tax. Nothing I can do about it but vote em out of office. :D Yep a little high mayby the DNR will import some good old boy to teach em how to pour boat ramps you can power load on
I would rather see the State of Michigan raise the non-resident fee for licenses rather than to tax my pension. Just sayin'.
BD ;D
Quote from: UAWBigDog on June 08, 2014, 02:14:03 PM
I would rather see the State of Michigan raise the non-resident fee for licenses rather than to tax my pension. Just sayin'.
BD ;D
Or raise the gas price tax another 25 cents to offset the cost of big trucks destroying our roads.....Don't even get me started.. >:(
Big Dog, I am with you there. They gave us smaller percentage increases back in the day than others were getting with the excuse that we wouldn't pay taxes on our retirement pensions. Didn't turn out to be true. Subsidize the wealthy on the backs of the working poor.
Oh ya why not keep resident and nonresident fees low, tax our gas and pensions. Lots of road and sales tax. When our lakes and parks and our ramps are run down and nasty, and fishing Michigan waters realy suck? You out of state guys won't come anymore and go some where else. If you want something good. You have to pay for it.
Guys Non Restident bring much need $$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the area in motels, eats, tackle and cold beer ;D Don't kick a gift horse in the mough ;D Y'all welcome to come on down to NC when you water gets hard ;D and we thank you ;D Welcome on and all, just bring money ;D Join Us for Lake Norman Rally Oct 25, 2014 here. Lower license fee's and you and power load your bass off ;D Alway easy to say let the other guy pay it, me too. Out of stater's infuse cash in the the local business which the whole country can use ;) Wow! Think about it. Bring more fishermen in and spend more money in the area and create more jobs. Something the government has missed. :D :D sad but very true.
Quote from: motocross269 on June 08, 2014, 04:36:07 PM
Quote from: UAWBigDog on June 08, 2014, 02:14:03 PM
I would rather see the State of Michigan raise the non-resident fee for licenses rather than to tax my pension. Just sayin'.
BD ;D
Or raise the gas price tax another 25 cents to offset the cost of big trucks destroying our roads.....Don't even get me started.. >:(
Toll roads here in Michigan could take care of the road issue. So many other states have till roads and most are in excellent shape because of it.
Quote from: Dan on June 09, 2014, 07:22:17 AM
Big Dog, I am with you there. They gave us smaller percentage increases back in the day than others were getting with the excuse that we wouldn't pay taxes on our retirement pensions. Didn't turn out to be true. Subsidize the wealthy on the backs of the working poor.
Taxing our pensions is not the answer. There are lots of other ways to generate revenue without making seniors and other retirees pay more. And then taking money away from our schools and who suffers for that?? Our kids do if course.
Don't get me started!!!! I'm anti-Snyder. That guy needs to go. Michigan is 6th from the bottom in job growth. More people have left Michigan since he's been governor.
BD. ;D
Amen, agree totally.
I'm not telling out of state anglers not to come visit. I'm asking them to please share the cost of a great lake fishery. Money collected for the fishery's gos to the fishery's. Money collected for roads, public serves and up keep of the state. Is ear marked for that purpose. It's when the government dose not state where the money is to be spent, that's the shell game. Read all of the ballot the next time you vote. Don't just make your choice because of the first three lines.
NOt one word about fee's. But it is high to the rest of the states. ??? You boys got to understand I had not clue what the Hell a Well Was :D :D We call em boat dock's or slips or dockage. :D The Red and Green on the loading and unloading is new to the world as far as I know :D but learned and will abide >:( Just poking fun in the Southern Way. Love your lakes and pay the price. ??? I try of abid the law if not I don't come up way up there. Best protect your lake and please build some boat ramps you can power load on :D :D Just picking guys . Hope to see some of you guys in about a week so :) Tax Free Beer available Belive me we pay the fare for out of stater's :o and then some. The problem is the Taker's out number the Makers :D Charge the other guy but give me my free cell phone, and check :D soap Box broke ???
Aren't pensions income? Why shouldn't they be taxed if everyone else has to pay income tax?
Don't even get us started on this one. You don't want to go there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Dan on June 12, 2014, 09:53:11 AM
Don't even get us started on this one. You don't want to go there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why not? You and UAW mentioned it. Should you just get to post unchallenged verbiage here? Pensions are income. Why shouldnt you have to pay the income tax which is 4.25%? I won't get a pension and will probably have to work until I'm dead. I have to pay income tax on my work no matter what age. I also have to pay income tax on any IRA withdrawals. It seems reasonable to me that income received as a pension should be taxed like any other income. If you, were told, in the process of negotiations that your pensions wouldn't ever be taxed then that's between your employer and those negotiating on your behalf. After all, government changes the rules all the time. Just look at the fishing regs that Dan Kimmel has worked so hard to change. Besides, there are limitations and rules on taxng pensions depending on the age of the recipient and amount of pension.
It must be nice to belong to a large group that can deliver the votes to carve out a special exemption from the rules most of us have to live with. Now if you want to propose that every one gets the same treatment from government like no one has to pay an income tax (other states have no income tax) I'm all for it.
Most pensions are earned over a long period of time. Most have to give up a higher rate of income as part of the deal. Taxes were paid when the money was earned and the funds are invested by the company or union just like a 401 or a stock fund. Do you pay taxes on all of you investments? For 35 years when all I could afford was some stale old crackers. Nobody cared, now your jellos of my stale old crackers. Pensions are fixed and usually do not on incease over the years,
Quote from: cameraguy on June 12, 2014, 10:09:59 PM
Quote from: Dan on June 12, 2014, 09:53:11 AM
Don't even get us started on this one. You don't want to go there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why not? You and UAW mentioned it. Should you just get to post unchallenged verbiage here? Pensions are income. Why shouldnt you have to pay the income tax which is 4.25%? I won't get a pension and will probably have to work until I'm dead. I have to pay income tax on my work no matter what age. I also have to pay income tax on any IRA withdrawals. It seems reasonable to me that income received as a pension should be taxed like any other income. If you, were told, in the process of negotiations that your pensions wouldn't ever be taxed then that's between your employer and those negotiating on your behalf. After all, government changes the rules all the time. Just look at the fishing regs that Dan Kimmel has worked so hard to change. Besides, there are limitations and rules on taxng pensions depending on the age of the recipient and amount of pension.
It must be nice to belong to a large group that can deliver the votes to carve out a special exemption from the rules most of us have to live with. Now if you want to propose that every one gets the same treatment from government like no one has to pay an income tax (other states have no income tax) I'm all for it.
No good ending for this one.... :-X
Florida has no state income tax, but we moved back here ::)
Boy... I take my eyes off the old FISHING LICENSE thread for a couple days and it turns into a government/political/tax fight...?!? I should make a new forum and invite my meeting stalker to join in. You guys could have big fun!! :P
Funny thing, I was trying to explain to my meeting stalker that the goals of the positions I support and work for are always to make it easier for people to get out fishing and want to go fishing in Michigan, while he seems to only care that people are punished for breaking laws even if it isn't clear they're breaking any actual 'laws'...
Since I like to keep things reasonably nice on here I won't say what I think of my stalker's way of thinking... ::)
I am sorry I wasn't able to do anything about the non-resident license fee. I wish more non-residents had called or wrote in before the change went through. I will keep watching how it affects sales. We had a presentation on early sales changes in some licenses yesterday during the NRC meeting and we will get more information later. If necessary I will suggest changes. I would need to have support from other groups to have any chance of getting somewhere of course.
I'm very glad some of you will keep coming here. Let's finish getting the year-round bass season first to get more opportunity. Then we can see what else we can fix to get and keep more people fishing.
Like I've mentioned before, there's no amount I won't pay to fish in Michigan. We have a trailer on Hamlin Lake, and I love fishing for Michigan smallies.
I think it's the amount that have people rethinking fishing Michigan. I know, it hasn't gone up in price for 16 some years. Well, most people don't know or realize that. I don't think combining the regular license AND the trout stamp helps matters. A person that only bought the restricted license in the past can't understand the jump to $76.
I realize it's not much compared to the other costs of fishing and I agree. I'm just telling you what I've heard from my Uncle that has a cottage on Hamlin. He's not sure if he'll buy a license. He doesn't fish a lot but has always had a license. I've heard similar from others not sure if they want to fish in Michigan.
Like I said, I have paid it. Even bought one for my daughter who is spending the summer at the lake and has really become interested in fishing. :) I'm not saying the change is right or wrong, just stating what I've heard from some fellow Hoosiers.
WEll guys all I can say is y'all got great fishing. I don't keep em I just love to catch and put em back after a photo on a good un :D It's always easy to say let the other guy pay but not me,me,me :D like Big Dog :D Yea Toll Road Work look at WV and Ohio :D :D :D Oh Well guess I'll just keep paying my share and half the country on Ole Mexico's way :D If we stopped some of the freebie programs, cell phones all states could have good road. Here in NC we got beat up roads with pot holes and not a bad winter like you guys." Nobody said life was fair, but even hard if you stupid" Quote John Wayne :D :D The only way to stop paying taxes is die :D then you family will pay em.
Can't we just all go fishing?
I could afford to go fishing more if they didn't tax my pension.
Quote from: Got Fish?? on June 13, 2014, 08:00:06 AM
Most pensions are earned over a long period of time. Most have to give up a higher rate of income as part of the deal. Taxes were paid when the money was earned and the funds are invested by the company or union just like a 401 or a stock fund. Do you pay taxes on all of you investments? For 35 years when all I could afford was some stale old crackers. Nobody cared, now your jellos of my stale old crackers. Pensions are fixed and usually do not on incease over the years,
This is your answer cameraguy. You may not have earned a pension like myself and so many others so to you the pension should be taxed. But when you tax a pension, you force people who have worked all their life for that pension to have to get a job at Walmart or McDonalds. If the tax on pensions is not repealed by Schauer when he wins in November, I will be moving to a state that doesn't have a state income tax. You don't tax pensions to give a break to your rich buddies. And you don't take money from schools to give your rich buddies tax breaks either.
The only thing Snyder has done that's been any good has been to sign SB 869. That's it!!! Other than that, he is for his rich 1 percenters and certainly not for us working people.
BD ;D
FF Jeff, I say thank you for buying Michigan fishing licenses and coming here! Same goes to anyone else who comes here! Besides pointing out the issues of the nonresident license and continuing to ask for monitoring of any possible sales changes I keep reminding them that all of us our paying more now for the 'same' fishing so please let us fish all year. I hope to help at least accomplish that much for now. I'm sure there's more that can be done but that seems like a good start.
Quote from: djkimmel on June 19, 2014, 01:17:34 AM
FF Jeff, I say thank you for buying Michigan fishing licenses and coming here! Same goes to anyone else who comes here! Besides pointing out the issues of the nonresident license and continuing to ask for monitoring of any possible sales changes I keep reminding them that all of us our paying more now for the 'same' fishing so please let us fish all year. I hope to help at least accomplish that much for now. I'm sure there's more that can be done but that seems like a good start.
And we all need to fish more.......
BD. ;D
That one is for sure. That's why I keep working on things I truly hope lead to fishing more...
And you've done one helluva job I might add!!! 8)
BD. ;D
It will be interesting to see the results of this years sales. I've learned something else about the change in the licenses. Here at the North Bayou Resort on Hamlin they sell licenses. It has become a added burden for the tackle shop. More people are buying daily licenses. They are picking and choosing their days depending on the weather etc. They had one guy come in to get licenses for him and his 4 sons for three days and not in a row. She had to do 15 licenses. A lot of these are folks from out of state that rent their cottages.
I'm not big on making it harder for people to go fishing. I didn't catch that we don't have a 7 or 10 license early enough. But it sounds like there are 1 or 2 possible improvements influential persons are considering. Not counting a longer bass season that we just took one more big step closer to earlier today.
Meanwhile... back to fishing ;D
I'm not complaining. Just something I heard that I hadn't considered. People are weather watching also because they don't want to pay for the seasonal.
I wonder how many people that would affect how much? I don't expect anyone will have much success lowering the cost but the possibility of avoiding future fee increases is an long term option, while coming up with a 7 and/or 10 day fishing license is a shorter term option for next year maybe. But that only works well for people who come here once a year for one week or less. I would expect 2 licenses would be about as much as a seasonal.
The 24 hour works if you live close by and only fish Michigan 7 or less times. Seems complicated but I guess I could see some people doing that. I have used those kinds of licenses for one day out with a friend in a close by state or province, or maybe a couple quick trips similar to a charter or fishing guide.
The 72 hour license is great for a long weekend. You could even get two long weekends. But if you go much past that you might as well buy the seasonal.
There was a resolution to work towards creating a returning home kind of license for previous citizens of Michigan but by the time all the questions came out, and people added up all the potential issues and challenges for the existing systems it could not get the two-thirds votes to pass.
The idea of reciprocal match was briefly discussed but there's not enough support at this time to get anywhere with that. I think a stable budget for a few years is necessary before many people would look at that possibility for long.
And you can complain if you want... won't change much but maybe it makes you feel better? Of course... someone might complain about you complaining... ;D I saw that get ugly on another forum somewhere... youch!
It was reported on another site I frequent "out-of-state fishing licenses, which experienced a similar price increase, are down 41 percent. In total, Michigan fishing has seen a 5 percent decrease, according to Golder."
Anybody know if this is true?
Something like that is true. They budgeted for an 8% overall drop in hunting and fishing license I believe.
I didn't see the exact number but it was brought up at a larger meeting not too long ago - I think it was the September NRC meeting - that nonresident fishing licenses dropped farther than expected.
Since us bass anglers and MUCC had brought up various angler concerns and asked the MDNR to monitor and report on this issue it appears they have done so and are now working on possible remedies. The outcome depends on what authority they exactly have and how much they are willing to change to improve the situation. I do recall the NRC asking the MDNR to take action and the MDNR said they would look into it as an important concern.
I'll pass on anything I learn. We have a Conservation Coalition meeting coming up next Wednesday so I hope for some kind of update possibly.