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Title: C Flash
Post by: Mojo on March 24, 2013, 12:35:46 AM
Expert question, if I could only buy 2 C flash for LSC, what size and what color?

If you are tight lipped, PM me?  I'm going to get a few next week. I'd be appreciative !
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Modrak on March 24, 2013, 11:37:40 AM
1 is color.... I have had good success with Threadfin Shad and Lemonaid on St.Clair as I know some of the other guys who fish the C Flash do.
2 the size.... you can't limit yourself to just one size but if you want to keep it simple stick with the 22 magnum and the 44 magnum you can control the depth with line size and reel speed. The lake and the fish change every year so you have to experiment what worked last year may not work this year. Last year was a prime example of that.
You better by more than one of each, the muskies like them too!
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: BIGSHOW on March 24, 2013, 01:39:38 PM
I was checking them out. Sure seems expensive. Are they that good? Just curious. I mean if I found the "perfect" bait I would pay $$$$. But with so many crankbaits under 10 bucks. The site I looked on they were 22.50.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: LGMOUTH on March 24, 2013, 06:13:29 PM
As far as the size, I would go with the 22 mag like Modrak suggested but also the 38. As far as the color goes again I would go with the Thread fin as Modrak suggested but also the brown craw. The brown craw in the 38 worked real well last spring. Again Im with Modrak, you should get more than two.....

And YES bigshow they are more than worth the price. Is it the PERFECT bait, no, but it is close.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Manxfishing on March 24, 2013, 06:47:45 PM
FYI

MikesRx sells the c-flash and he's a sponser on GLB

http://shop.mikesrxbaits.com/category.sc?categoryId=5
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: karol on March 24, 2013, 09:53:06 PM
one of the big bait shops in northern indiana has an auction this saturday and he's a dealer for the c-flash so what would be a good color for wawasee area?..thanks..Karol
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Mojo on March 25, 2013, 08:12:26 AM
Thank you gentlemen, Anyone reading this - ensure to use the GLB links when you look and buy. Mikes RX is just one, Sportsmans Direct is another.

Next Crankin question: was at the GR show and also saw RAM cranks.  Seems comparable to the C flash.  Is it ?

Lastly, I seem to do extremely well with shallow inland cranks, and cranks on LSC in up to 12 fow.  I seem to struggle with consistent bites in deeper waters. I think this is true for many anglers.  The DD 22 wasn't the answer for me, but I guess I should throw it more than 10 times before putting it down.  

Is there a good deep water answer besides DS and tubes ?

Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Redbone on March 25, 2013, 09:12:19 AM
RAM cranks are made from foam. They have a one piece aluminum design for hook hangers. I have used these baits and they go through the water real nice. You just have to keep an eye on them to make sure they stay in tune.

C-Flash are made from Balsa. I havent fished with these so I do not know about the design. I am not sure if they use a through wire or screw inserts. Or if they are made from a solid piece of wood or two pieces glued together. (Im curious, so if anyone knows, let me know. :))

Balsa has more boyency than foam. And that might make them hunt a little more. I would say both baits are top of the line. But that is reflected in the price. Would I rather have 1 RAM or 1 C-Flash over 3 Rapalas? Yes.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: LGMOUTH on March 25, 2013, 11:41:37 PM
Karol, emerald shiner  ;)

As far as the comparison between C Flash and Ram, They are completely different. They may look the sameish ( I know thats not a word) but they have totally different characteristics. The C Flash has a very wide wobble sort of like the old wiggle warts, the RAM baits have a tighter wobble. And for the buoyancy, Im not sure on other foam baits but the RAM bait is extremely buoyant. Way more than the C Flash balsa bait. They each have their purposes but they are not the same.

The C Flashes are a one piece balsa wood with screw inserts, and yes the RAM has a metal wire all the way through. They are both great crankbaits and you would be doing yourself a favor by trying them both out and using the one that suits your type of fishing best.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: ROI Outdoors on March 28, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
Quote from: Redbone on March 25, 2013, 09:12:19 AM
RAM cranks are made from foam. They have a one piece aluminum design for hook hangers. I have used these baits and they go through the water real nice. You just have to keep an eye on them to make sure they stay in tune.

C-Flash are made from Balsa. I havent fished with these so I do not know about the design. I am not sure if they use a through wire or screw inserts. Or if they are made from a solid piece of wood or two pieces glued together. (Im curious, so if anyone knows, let me know. :))

Balsa has more boyency than foam. And that might make them hunt a little more. I would say both baits are top of the line. But that is reflected in the price. Would I rather have 1 RAM or 1 C-Flash over 3 Rapalas? Yes.

Density to density foam is much more bouyant than balsa - if you hollowed out a RAM in the center like that of a C-flash it would probably float into space......
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Waterfoul on March 28, 2013, 07:07:11 PM
Do NOT slap a C-Flash on the water to get weeds off it.  You will be buying a replacement.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Skulley on March 28, 2013, 09:06:28 PM
Quote from: Waterfoul on March 28, 2013, 07:07:11 PM
Do NOT slap a C-Flash on the water to get weeds off it.  You will be buying a replacement.

Right there I would not spend $22.50 on a crank bait.  I use crank baits more than anything else in my tackle box.  You can get really carried away on those baits.  I ought to know, I own thousands of them..........no kidding.  Anyway, if I'm going to use a balsa wood crank, I'll tie on a Rapala or a Poe's.  I got some of those.  Belleville was a good Poe's crank bait lake. 


BD                                 ;D
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Redbone on March 29, 2013, 11:54:17 AM

Density to density foam is much more bouyant than balsa - if you hollowed out a RAM in the center like that of a C-flash it would probably float into space......
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   There are very few foams that have the buoyancy of balsa. There is foam that is, but it is tough to work with because it leaves a poris shell. And you can also add micro balloons to others like alumifoam but I believe that still might not be enough. I am not sure of what RAM's are made of but they have a good process, whatever it is.
   I made a balsa bait that is almost an exact a replica of a RAM. It is only two grams heavier. and I would not be suprised if the two grams are from the epoxy that I used. Today I put them in a sink filled with water and did a bobber test. They both reached the top at the exact same time. I tried it several times with the same results. If the C-flash baits does not have similiar buoyancy as the RAMS do it is because the amount of belly weight used, not the material.

Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: ROI Outdoors on March 29, 2013, 03:18:14 PM
Quote from: Redbone on March 29, 2013, 11:54:17 AM

Density to density foam is much more bouyant than balsa - if you hollowed out a RAM in the center like that of a C-flash it would probably float into space......

   There are very few foams that have the buoyancy of balsa. There is foam that is, but it is tough to work with because it leaves a poris shell. And you can also add micro balloons to others like alumifoam but I believe that still might not be enough. I am not sure of what RAM's are made of but they have a good process, whatever it is.
   I made a balsa bait that is almost an exact a replica of a RAM. It is only two grams heavier. and I would not be suprised if the two grams are from the epoxy that I used. Today I put them in a sink filled with water and did a bobber test. They both reached the top at the exact same time. I tried it several times with the same results. If the C-flash baits does not have similiar buoyancy as the RAMS do it is because the amount of belly weight used, not the material.


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Have you gotten the blacklights out yet?  Experiments like the one(s) you are doing are what makes these conversations so interesting.....
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: thedude on March 29, 2013, 07:49:57 PM
Totally don't work. Buy strike kings instead.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Genie on March 29, 2013, 08:33:04 PM
I switched away from cflash to strike king and have started catching more fish.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Cy on March 29, 2013, 08:52:06 PM
Quote from: Genie on March 29, 2013, 08:33:04 PM
I switched away from cflash to strike king and have started catching more fish.

I have too...it is amazing how well those strike king baits work.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: BIGSHOW on March 29, 2013, 09:00:13 PM
Strike king for me too. Price,colors and puts fish in the boat. What more can you ask for.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: thedude on March 29, 2013, 10:52:48 PM
the woorden's flatfish or Yum dancin-eel are even better.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Mojo on March 29, 2013, 11:41:58 PM
Bigshow that is one sic title pic !! If that dont describe every one of us I dont know  !!!!!
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: BIGSHOW on March 30, 2013, 01:50:26 AM
Hey, I had to get a brain scan and I figured I share the results  :o
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Redbone on March 30, 2013, 11:32:46 AM

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Have you gotten the blacklights out yet?  Experiments like the one(s) you are doing are what makes these conversations so interesting.....
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Although baitfish can omit UV. I have different theories on why that happens. I believe carnivorous fish have evolved to not see it like humans. So UV does not interest me.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Waterfoul on March 30, 2013, 11:34:19 AM
Quote from: Redbone on March 30, 2013, 11:32:46 AM


Although baitfish can omit UV. I have different theories on why that happens. I believe carnivorous fish have evolved to not see it like humans. So UV does not interest me.

There are quite a few pros and at least 2 entire bait companies that would disagree with you.  I've always read that fish can see the UV spectrum better than humans.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Redbone on March 30, 2013, 11:44:56 AM
Bait companies only need to catch fisherman. Pros are just paid advertisements, for the most part. Maybe if I were fishing in very deep water I would show more interest. If that was really the ticket every company would be on that bandwagon.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: DennisB. on March 30, 2013, 01:02:07 PM
Why are these so good? Is it the hunt, or the green spot.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: thedude on March 30, 2013, 07:01:55 PM
buoyancy, wide wobble, they are inherently imperfect and therefore don't run like robots, silent.

i wish they didn't work.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: DennisB. on March 30, 2013, 08:28:07 PM
Are they considered circuit card bills? Just trying to learn a little more about balsa vs the cheap plastic stuff

Thanks
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: BIGSHOW on March 30, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
Aren't Rapala's made of balsa?
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: thedude on March 30, 2013, 10:46:16 PM
some are. so are bagley's.

do some research about bagley's (they've been around since the 70s) and you'll learn very quickly that balsa (or foam) is small part of the equation.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Mojo on March 31, 2013, 12:50:12 AM
look - Dennis - others,.............. UV lighting, credit card bill pay, spots n dots, All the munbo jumbo ,..,.... if a bait gets crushed and is a Fish Catcher in certain sizes and colors, ,,, I dont care if its made of recycled fossilized dung from cows who ate grass in Chernobyl, Its tied on and Im gonna pay for that bait ! !

Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: YpsiBass on April 01, 2013, 02:44:09 PM
I kind of want one of our homemade lure guys to fashion a lure out of fossilized cow manure and screw some hooks into for Mojo...
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Firefighter Jeff on April 01, 2013, 11:54:07 PM
Quote from: YpsiBass on April 01, 2013, 02:44:09 PM
I kind of want one of our homemade lure guys to fashion a lure out of fossilized cow manure and screw some hooks into for Mojo...


  Hmmmmmmmm  I'd like to see that too.  lolol  :)
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Basschief on April 03, 2013, 10:53:36 AM
Go with the 22 mag and the 44 mag, Lemonade, Emerald shiner and
Threadfin.  I to have strike king and C-flashes, but on smallies the c-flashes are much better.  Lets just say I've made converts to a lot of guys that never thought they would spend 22 bucks for a crank bait. 
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: BIGSHOW on April 04, 2013, 07:00:04 PM
If. Just if I was to purchase one of these c flash "super baits". What would be a good color to start with? I'm a sucker for a good bait,rod,reel etc. no matter what the price
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: djkimmel on April 05, 2013, 03:18:36 AM
Quote from: thedude on March 29, 2013, 10:52:48 PM
the woorden's flatfish or Yum dancin-eel are even better.

I think I have a couple ORIGINAl dance's eels. Do you want to buy them?!?
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Skulley on April 05, 2013, 07:37:01 AM
Quote from: BIGSHOW on April 04, 2013, 07:00:04 PM
If. Just if I was to purchase one of these c flash "super baits". What would be a good color to start with? I'm a sucker for a good bait,rod,reel etc. no matter what the price

I would go natural. I would also buy 2. A baitfish color like shad, shiner, or goby. The other bait would be a crawfish color. The crawfish color crankbaits are what I like to throw in the spring. I like baitfish summer through fall although I will tie them on in any season.


BD.                       ;D
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: thedude on April 05, 2013, 11:42:21 AM
the foiled bluegill pattern would be #1.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Skulley on April 05, 2013, 07:54:02 PM
Quote from: thedude on April 05, 2013, 11:42:21 AM
the foiled bluegill pattern would be #1.

Throw the bluegill in with the shad, shiner, and goby.


BD.                      ;D
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Mojo on April 07, 2013, 04:43:24 PM
Under new ownership -C Flash. Anyone hear how that may affect the process or quality of the bait ? It always does..........
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: BIGSHOW on April 07, 2013, 05:46:01 PM
Or price  ;D
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: thedude on April 07, 2013, 07:44:26 PM
"new ownership" was a few years ago. there's really no difference in the bait. I think they've moved to a different clearcoat that is less prone to splitting now is all.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Manxfishing on April 07, 2013, 07:54:50 PM
When I looked them up after this post started
I did run across this

"App 2 years regional pro Greg Mangus took over the company and as far as I know was making the baits himself"

So it's been a while
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Skulley on April 08, 2013, 06:54:48 AM
Or outsourced to China......




BD.                            ;D
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: LGMOUTH on April 08, 2013, 09:19:43 PM
Trust me, they will never be made in china or anywhere else other than at Greg's shop as long as he owns it. The baits are basically the same except the clear coat and a new bill material.
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: djkimmel on April 09, 2013, 01:44:37 AM
Yeah, lets not start new 'rumors' like that. I'm still amazed he is making them there like he is. Way to go for it Greg!
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: Skulley on April 09, 2013, 07:17:28 AM
Quote from: LGMOUTH on April 08, 2013, 09:19:43 PM
Trust me, they will never be made in china or anywhere else other than at Greg's shop as long as he owns it. The baits are basically the same except the clear coat and a new bill material.


That's great to hear. Made in the USA is great and all the more reason to buy them. Nothing like American ingenuity when it comes to bass fishing.



BD.                                   ;D
Title: Re: C Flash
Post by: PIGSMALLIE on April 09, 2013, 10:07:43 PM
I have a Brown Craw mag 22 waiting to be tried out this spring. ;D...Im sure it will work.