Hello All,
This is my first post on GLB, but have looked in quite often. I just wanted to send out a note hoping all is well with a couple of anglers I helped out on Lake St.Clair last Saturday. They had the misfortune of knowing first hand just how the lake can turn her ugly face. The wind was blowing, it was cold, and so was the water. The best we can surmise is she busted the hull on there Stratos boat, and was taking on a lot of water. They flagged me down and I was compelled to help them as best I could (that is what you do with people in distress). I was able to get them on board safely, and with boat in tow, we got to safe water, were eventually the Sheriff took over. I only know the gents first names but the owner did mention he visited this site.
I have been on "the BIG water" for years and no matter how skilled or confident you are, at times she will smack you to give you a wake up call. The bottom line gents, in a quick instant you can be faced with a dangerous situation out there and you need to be prepared as best you can, DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED, wear your vest always and make sure your vessel is in top notch condition.
I hope all is well and they can get back on the water soon. She can be a pleasure most of the time, but there are some ugly teeth hidden underneath. Be careful everyone and tight lines.
Welcome to the site and nicely done with helping an angler in need. You are completely right about being on big water. Things can and do change in an instant. I hope your kindness gets rewarded with a great fishing season.
Welcome to the site. I'm very glad you were able to help in a time of need, you did the absolute right thing. The Good Samaritan law in Michigan says you HAD to stay and help as long as there was no danger of loss of life or property on your part. Kudos for doing the right thing! :)
That being said, the minute you don't respect the water, it will reach up and get you. I am currently teaching the Boater's Safety class with the Grand Rapids Sail and Power Squadren here in my store every Tuesday night. We cannot put enough emphasis on RESPECT. If you boat long enough you will end up on both ends of the spectrum, I know I have. Being prepared for the worst is your best option for surviving to fish/boat another day.
Again, welcome to the site and thanks for being a GOOD boater!
Mike
Welcome to GLB. Great Job at helping out someone in need!
the stratos in question, i looked at the hull, no damage found, the livewell and other hoses seem to be good, he will have to float the boat at a local ramp to check for leaks. My best guess they took on water over the transom. Thanks for towing them in
oh yea, welcome to GLB
Well its always nice to hear back from the hero !! Thank you thank you thank you for helping one of our own. You can PM me anytime if you need ideas or something new on LSC. Best wishes to you .
Mike
I am glad to hear that maybe the boat does not have severe damage. Whatever the issue, it sure was taking on water fast. Waterfoul, "RESPECT" is a good word, and the right attitude to apply while on the lake. Most boaters I am afraid are not aware of the rules of navigation, and there responsibilities while on the waterways, and all to often I have seen it lead to bad things. Kudos to you for passing on some needed information to the masses.
Bob O, if you could tell the owner and his partner, I am just glad they are OK to fish another day.
Nice job.
Welcome
will do
Quote from: smallie9 on April 27, 2016, 06:26:55 AM
I am glad to hear that maybe the boat does not have severe damage. Whatever the issue, it sure was taking on water fast. Waterfoul, "RESPECT" is a good word, and the right attitude to apply while on the lake. Most boaters I am afraid are not aware of the rules of navigation, and there responsibilities while on the waterways, and all to often I have seen it lead to bad things. Kudos to you for passing on some needed information to the masses.
Bob O, if you could tell the owner and his partner, I am just glad they are OK to fish another day.
Quote from: smallie9 on April 27, 2016, 06:26:55 AM
I am glad to hear that maybe the boat does not have severe damage. Whatever the issue, it sure was taking on water fast. Waterfoul, "RESPECT" is a good word, and the right attitude to apply while on the lake. Most boaters I am afraid are not aware of the rules of navigation, and there responsibilities while on the waterways, and all to often I have seen it lead to bad things. Kudos to you for passing on some needed information to the masses.
Bob O, if you could tell the owner and his partner, I am just glad they are OK to fish another day.
I grew up boating on Lake Michigan. If you think St. Clair gets rough!!!
Thanks for helping a GreatLakesBass.com member in need and thanks for posting. Welcome to the site.
I have fished them all in bad weather ::) (dumb I guess), and yes the "BIG" lakes can get a little squirrelly. I would be interested in knowing what the final diagnosis is on the cause of the situation, if anyone knows or finds out?
Thanks for the welcomes everyone.
Thanks for the help Chris. I was hoping you'd post and I'd be able to extend a proper thank you. I'll be making a longer post about this some time in the future, but right now still experiencing bouts of anxiety just thinking about it. You were in the right place at the right time and I'm not sure where I'd be now without the helping hand.
Yikes that's an intense moment to say the Least. Glad it worked out for everyone.
Earlier that morning I had issues with my motor and had to re-visit the marina on the other side of the lake to correct them, so that delayed my launch, apparently someone felt the delay was in order in order for me to be at the right place at the right time.
I was glad to help and mostly you are safe to fish again. I can understand the anxiety but don't let it keep you from enjoying the sport, as they say ***T happens. If you spend any time out there something is bound to happen (believe me I have had my share). We are a community bound by the sport we enjoy, and in community, sometimes we need to offer a helping hand.
Quote from: smallie9 on April 29, 2016, 06:30:58 AM
Earlier that morning I had issues with my motor and had to re-visit the marina on the other side of the lake to correct them, so that delayed my launch, apparently someone felt the delay was in order in order for me to be at the right place at the right time.
I was glad to help and mostly you are safe to fish again. I can understand the anxiety but don't let it keep you from enjoying the sport, as they say ***T happens. If you spend any time out there something is bound to happen (believe me I have had my share). We are a community bound by the sport we enjoy, and in community, sometimes we need to offer a helping hand.
I really like the last line in your post. So much truth to that statement. Proud to be part of the Brotherhood of Bass.
:)
Hi Chris, It's Tom...the passenger on Rick's boat that day. I was waiting for Rick to make a post about the day because I didn't want to presume to speak for him, but I am very glad to have met you and welcome to GLB! Thanks for being willing to lend a hand that day. We owe you a debt of gratitude. You were a class act and a huge help. I was glad to have met you and hope to become friends. I'm sorry I couldn't stick around and thank you in person, but I couldn't stop shivering and needed to get in the police car to try to warm up. I had been cold and wet for about an hour at that point. But THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. You did exactly what we are all supposed to do in a situation like that. Grateful doesn't even come close man...truly.
Just a few quick comments if I may. :)
Rick is a great guy and good boater. He has great respect for the big water and was rightfully a bit terrified of the nasty wind and waves that morning. I am very eager to find out why he took on water because I don't believe it was just water over the transom. We really didn't see much water coming over the transom. It seemed more like we were rapidly taking on water IMO. If it was just water over the transom, I suspect the bilge pumps could be part of the issue because they were barely pumping water out which concerned me as soon as I noticed it. Even when the bilge was completely full of water, the pumps were intermittent and barely dribbled water out instead of shooting a nice stream like I'm used to seeing on most boats. So I hope those pump hoses get checked because I wouldn't be surprised to hear they were cracked or maybe the pumps themselves need replacement. Those things gotta PEE! Either way, stuff happens that you can't predict or control. So Rick, don't get squeamish about St. Clair or doubt your boating skills. I'll go out with you again anytime my friend. You're an awesome guy to hang with and I have no worries trusting you as a boater. None of this was your fault.
I've been on St. Clair or 25 years and can testify to the hazards of big water. I've been in a few dicey situations, but a good lesson here is to make sure your boat is ready for the big water. In Rick's defense, he had no reason to suspect any issues with his boat being able to handle St. Clair because he's been out on it a lot with no problems, but this was a wakeup call for me to give my boat a once over and make sure things are ready to take the pounding St. Clair can give it. Got the trolling motor strapped down well, bungeed things down that were loose, tightened all screws, nuts, and bolts, and checked connections. I was out yesterday for a little while with Mojo with no issues...and trust me, it was wicked out there yesterday. We actually only stayed out for a little while and opted to head home because it was just too nasty, but I'm glad my boat handled it with no issues.
I know this isn't the "Christian" board, but I'd like to give a small testimony of how I think our lives were spared: We were down by 9 Mile and fishing, with the pumps on because there was some water in the bilge. It was nothing major, we just figured it was all the spray because of the rough ride, but we kept an eye on it. We fished for a while and headed South to only find dirty water. Because of that I suggested we go North (toward the launch) in search of cleaner water. We had to take it slow because it was solid 3 foot white caps and about halfway back we speared a wave and I got soaked. I had a rain jacket on, but no bibs, just jeans. So cold and wet, I told Rick that I needed to head in because I couldn't stay out cold and wet...I'd freeze. So we started to b-line to the ramp. We got in front of the Black creek and saw Chris. I could see that we were not going to make it to Harley because the boat was going under, so we flagged down Chris and got help. (I'm leaving out a LOT of details, figuring that's more for Rick to comment on)
The moral of the story as far as I am convinced is that the wave that soaked me...saved our lives. Had I not got wet, we'd have not made the b-line to Harley and would have likely been out in open water much farther off shore when the boat swamped. And there would have been no one near to help us. In 40 degree water, you don't have much time before hypothermia sets in...in fact, I suffered a mild case and couldn't stop shivering until after I showered back home. Even after that, I spent much of the rest of the day cold. Yes, I am supremely convinced that God sent that wave to soak me so that we'd get where we needed to be in order to get near Chris for help. For that I am so thankful.
Most importantly Rick and I are ok. I'm not sure about the Stratos. I hope things turn out well. Anyway, now that the story has gone public, hopefully Rick will give an account of his perceptions of the day and an update on the ole Stratus. I hope it gets fixed and fishing again very soon. I know what it's like to be without a boat...it sucks. Keep your chin up Rick and you are welcome to fish with me on my boat in the meantime...anytime. Same for you Chris. Stay safe everyone.
Scary and could have been worse. Glad you guys only got cold and hope the boat sorts out soon. Sometimes it is just a number of cascading events that lead to catastrophe verses one obvious thing. Good thing some of us try to look out for each other!
Thanks for posting the story and I'm truly glad things worked out alright in the end. I 100% believe that the wave that soaked you was meant to be there so you started heading to land when you did. I also think that the wave not only saved you, but had a larger purpose of being used as a reminder to all of us as an example of what can happen on the water. I know that after reading this, I am checking the operation of my bilge pumps before I launch my boat again.
God is Good.
Kudos to smallie9. I'm sure most of our members would do the same. I saw the pic of you towing the baot. I was surprised that rope held up. That was a lot of weight to pull with all that water in the boat.
On another note for Rick, I'm wondering if the silicone hasn't gone bad between the top cap and hull. When I first got my boat, brand new I was getting water in the bilge area. But not when it sat in the boat slip but when I used it. Found the issue, added some silicone and problem solved. Just something else to check.
I'm not going to add more to what Tom said until after I get through with whatever I have to deal with with Tow Boat US and State Farm insurance.
I DO feel really discouraged though and am having a hard time thinking about being out on the water again or being on my boat. Took the weekend off to do other stuff and I should be at the MadWags open, but blah. Just blah.
I appreciate the words of encouragement and happy thoughts though.
Don't be discouraged Rick. There's a lot to learn and it takes years to learn it. Plus some stuff just plain happens. I'm sure fishing Saturday will be a good thing for you. Hope to see you there.
Mr. Rick,
I cannot think of any better "therapy" than some time on the water doing battle with those goofy fish with friends. Whenever I need to disconnect from "whatever" there are only two things I can count on, fishin, and sittin in a tree watching the forest grow (cause the deer don't understand how to play the game)
The rest of the "stuff" is just formalities, and nothing is going to stop me from fishin, remember stuff happens for a reason, and time to push on! It sounds like you have a good deal of support, your lucky.
Gentlemen, thank you for sharing your recent experience. I'm 57 so I can relate to these 'life-awakening' events that most of us have experienced, both on and off the water. There's often no logical explanation except to let each of us know we occasionally need to be humbled and have perspective on what is really important. No fish is worth risking one's health or life (not that you were doing anything wrong). I will definitely be purchasing a 50 ft. tow line and stash it in my boat - if not just for me but for my fellow angler(s) should they be in distress. Glad everyone is safe to fish another day.
Short update on this whole giant, terrible adventure...
State Farm cut a check out of their own pockets to pay for the tow company's requote on their services. Tow Boat US quoted me $20/foot on the water, but then sent me a bill for $200/foot. They said that because they had to pump the boat out, it counted as salvage hence the requote. State Farm also covered the cost of repairs to my boat, minus my deductible, and said that covering the tow enabled me to get the boat fixed and that was the right thing to do rather than total it. Should have the boat back some time after June 10th.
I have learned yet another hard lesson on the water and I wish I could stop finding ways to learn this way, but I am eternally grateful to the GLB community for all the advice, kind words, and support. I will probably be a State Farm customer for life because of this and the other things they've covered in the past.
Yes, it's hard and probably foolish to leave a company that treats you so well. I know there are some that don't like Progressive for different reasons but they have treated me with fantastic service. When we had the deer accident on a sunday evening about 8:00, 180 miles from home that totaled our SUV and bassboat, we had a check in our hand for the SUV by Tuesday 1:00 at home !!!! The check for the boat took longer because they needed bluebook and a selling price for two other boats like ours in order to average the three prices.
Glad to hear things will get you back on the water soon (should be perfect timing-post spawn fun). If you don't mind, what was the diagnosis on the damage to your boat. (awesome it is repairable).
Still not sure what caused the boat to take on water, but I'll verify with Lockeman's when I pick it up. I did ask what the repair bill included and that was 3 new batteries (2 TM and 1 cranking), new charger, empty out the gas tanks, new oil, some motor stuff to take out the water and protect the internals.