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Author Topic: **UPDATED** June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants  (Read 9233 times)

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DOWD

Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2006, 06:18:53 PM »

I spoke to the FLW on Monday, 43 boaters signed up, 23 non boaters on the waiting list.
For the Stren Event on Erie. 153 boaters with 120 nonboaters signed up.

I believe I will be skipping the Burt Mullet event, due to the fact it would be a bad business decision to spend the 5 to 6 hundred dollars with a 50 to 75 boat field.
I fish to win money, I could care less about the regionals.
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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2006, 07:46:08 PM »

did they give you numbers for the st-clair and detroit river BFL..   going to be interesting to see how many they get...
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DOWD

Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2006, 08:02:07 PM »

St Clair on opening day had 23 boaters signed up and I cant remember the non boaters. With gas prices, I cannot believe they will have more then 100 boats, but I hope I am wrong.
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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2006, 08:07:41 PM »

Only a so-so indicator of the final numbers for BFL event in Michigan. We've never been real big on entering early consistently because we have never filled up like other states. A large number of anglers enter in the last few weeks for every event.

I wouldn't compare BFL numbers to a Stren event. They are two different animals attracting different kinds of anglers. You have plenty of anglers who will travel 5 to 10 or more hours for a Stren event because they are interested in a higher level of competition including interest in being pro anglers. Stren Series events have filled up before so anglers will tend to get in them earlier to make sure they get a spot.

The point is FLW already KNOWS that having all the events on St. Clair/Erie does NOT work. Regardless of how this event ends up (and I expect around 100 boats or more unless gas prices keep staying up - that is the main reason I have heard from guys cutting back on all tournaments), BFL will NOT go back to all events on St. Clair/Erie. They will just try more on the West side, Saginaw Bay and/or up North.

If you like prefer to fish all Erie because it is close to you, good for you, but FLW has to try stuff that makes enough anglers happy to have consistent good draws and they already know that doesn't happen with all St. Clair/Erie. There are plenty of other anglers who would fish BFL with some variety and FLW staff will keep trying different things until they find what works best.

I really appreciate that FLW staff is willing to try different lakes to see what will get more anglers out fishing while opening them up to more interest for larger events, because that is the best way we will get more and larger tournaments in Michigan - which is good in the end for everyone for quite a few positive reasons.

I'm going to give it a chance and support it because I do like the regionals, and I like more and larger tournaments in Michigan. I also like variety in a circuit so it doesn't only favor most the anglers who live closest to certain waters and therefore can fish them more often.

This is also very important to me: I think that we need to win over more communities to the value of supporting tournaments if we want to continue to grow in Michigan. There are enough people who don't like tournaments and enough who wouldn't mind them going away to be concerned. We will not get much support in the very SE from communities because of everything else that goes on already in those areas - that is what is keeping us from having more national events on Erie and St. Clair.

But the central, Western and Northern communities are still very possible supporters because we stick out better as a major influx of money into their communities. That is where our true growth for more and larger events exists best, and therefore our best chance at increasing our legitimacy with the overall population as a respectable and accepted sport.
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MBell

Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2006, 03:00:15 PM »

Thanks for the numbers Dowd.  I also couldn't care less about the regionals in the BFL, too many people qualify.  I'm looking at fishing the burt/mullet just because it's an awesom fishery and it's a good excuse to take a few days up there. 
-Matt   
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Team houston

Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2006, 03:22:23 PM »

Fishing in a regional is no big deal, but making the ALL American is AWESOME. Just ask Dan. You can only make the All American by fishing a regional. Thats why I keep fishing them
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NEOFISH

Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2006, 01:14:19 PM »

Another Northern tournament next year?? This is reckless and stupid!? With out advanced promotion by FLW and the local chamber of commerce these northern events are going to be a hopeless failure.? This is FLW arrogance!? A BFL event it not a big league tournament where you can just name a lake, a date, and have 200 boats show-up.? The BFL is a grass roots tournament trail and it needs to be grown.? ?The Burt/Mullet? tournament should have had an advance promotion? such as the mailing of an information packet. This lets people know that they?re important!? FLW with all of its media power could have put together an article for the magazine. You need to tell people why they must be there!? Happy faces, beautiful scenery and pictures of those 5 and 6 pound smallies that are common in June.? Without being condescending you need to brag about the fabulous fishing that Burt/Mullet offers.? The chance that any angler of moderate skill could weigh-in a #20+ bag of bass.? In an earlier posting I said you need a five-year window to promote, educated, and grown interest in a fishery.? This is a long-term plan.? Skipping around to different lakes every year isn?t going to be a success and leaves you back at step one.? Worst of all it could become the tournament to skip each season.? The carrot and stick approach of dangling the regional and All-American as a reason to fish every event just isn?t enough for most people.
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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2006, 08:51:00 PM »

I've fished BFL in the past.? I love that they are going to Burt/Mullett.? The only thing that may keep me from going to fish it is time, or the lack of it.? I like to fish a variety of lakes and I like a circuit that allows the anglers to qualify for bigger tournaments down the road.?

Also, I don't think promotion has anything to do whether or not someone will fish Burt/Mullett.? I'm fairly confident that bass anglers who are willing to shell out $150 to compete in a bass tournament in this region are aware of the bass fisheries in northern Michigan.? It's all about money, time, and attitude.? To Dowd, the payout is just not worth the extra expense of traveling there (at least that's what I took from his comments).? That's reasonable.? To others though (like me), I consider the low end circuits to be kind of a pricey bowling league.? Sure I want to win, but I want to enjoy the experience, which includes surroundings, and a variety of challenges throughout the season.? I would be less apt to consider a circuit that has all of it's tournaments on LSC and Erie.? I just don't want to get physically beat up that much.? Plus, like I said, I enjoy variety.?

It's obviously a numbers game.? FLW is certainly not stupid or they wouldn't be as successful as they are.? They just try to figure out what will increase the number of anglers fishing each tournament.? So they probably experiment a little to find how to do just that.? Time will tell whether their choices will pan out, but "...stupid...", I don't think so.
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NEOFISH

Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2006, 09:33:48 PM »

Promotion has every thing to do with the success of a tournament!? It?s the difference between 80 boats and a possible full field (200 boats).? Word needs to get out to the fisherman who don?t know about our Northern lakes. You can?t keep preaching to the choir! ?Imagine if Burt/Mullet where to draw a full 200 boat field?? ?Imagine what that would say!? Imagine how impressed local businesses, the chamber of commerce and most of all FLW would be to see a great turn out.? Such positive attention could lead to a FLW or Stren series tour event in the future.? I also grow tired of the beating that Erie and lake St Clair dish out both on the water and in traffic.? But I don?t want to see season openers with fewer than 100 boats.? ?
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DOWD

Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2006, 10:05:33 PM »

I have set my mine to fish the Burt Mullet event at 70 boats. If I call the day before the late fee and they have 70 boats signed up, I will fish. I am making this decision based on busines, I fish as a business and not emotions. I fish to try to make money, and to help offeset the expense of owning a boat and equipment.
Seeing how Holiday Inn is paying for my hotel room, 70 boats is the break even point for my business venture, even with gas at 3.00. Hopefully they draw 100 plus boats, because I love catching those bedding bass that time of year.
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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2006, 10:37:06 AM »

Two hundred dollars is a lot of money to spend to enter a "local" bass tournament.? If an angler has the experience and confidence to spend that kind of money, plus expenses, to fish competitively then they are probably aware of the great bass fisheries up north.?

Promotion can always help any event, but I don't think that it's worth the expense for FLW Outdoors to heavily promote each tournament in every BFL division across the country.? They seem to rely on sending members and former participants a brochure and also rely on those who want to fish the circuit to promote it for them.? After all, if you want a bigger payout, then you will try to get more people to enter.? Dan does a good job on this site of making people aware of tournaments and giving information on the bodies of water where tournaments are located.?

Anglers fish tournaments for different reasons.? There all kinds of circuits trying to capitalize on that.? There are low-cost buddy tournaments, draw tournaments, etc.? BFL takes a fairly serious commitment of cash.? I find it hard to believe that anybody willing to spend the cash to fish BFL, doesn't already know about Burt/Mullett.? So, if somebody chooses not to fish Burt/Mullett it must be other reasons besides the lack of knowing the quality of the fishery.? One reason is some guys just don't want to enter a tournament held on a body of water they aren't that familiar with.? There are many more that I probably don't need to list right now.

Finally, I'm not sure why we need to have national tournaments up north.? Yeah, I know, the economic impact can be somewhat significant for the area for a few days, but I kind of like our quiet little corner of the world up there.? Plus, anytime there is a big tournament (50 boats+) up there, the locals are all up in arms about the noise, wakes in a no-wake, disturbing their loons, etc.? Oh well, people are always going to find something to complain about, I guess.

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Team houston

Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2006, 11:06:14 AM »

Bear in mind first place at the Regional is a truck and boat. First place at the All American is $100,000. It is $2500 if you never catch a fish. The reasoning for a lot of people is "I cannot afford not to fish it"
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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2006, 01:31:28 PM »

I do it because it is what I LOVE to do, period. If I could afford to be traveling with the pros right now, that is what I would be doing (am I good enough? NOOO!). Right now, the BFL is what I can afford (not really, but I do anyway and Visa thanks me) so that is my route. I have been fortunate to make my expenses and a little more back the last two years I have fished it, but even if I hadn't I would still be their. I enjoy fishing against many of the best Michigan has to offer. I love the angler/coangler format. I have met some great guys and great fishermen. I have learned many things from my coanglers and have had very few bad experiences. I have made a lot of good friends the last two years. I am blessed to have a wife who lets me travel all over the place chasing the little green and brown fish. I don't care if there is 10 boats or 200 boats, I would still make the trip. The awesome lakes of Michigan are worth it. The competition drives me, but when it comes down to it, I just love to be out there figuring out and catching as many as I can, the money is simply a bonus. I will be doing it as long as it does not put my family in financial stress. I hope to see as many people as can make it to smallie heaven and am looking forward to the trip. God Bless and Good Fishin'
Rufus
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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2006, 01:34:47 PM »

Amen!
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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2006, 02:03:12 PM »

I do it because it is what I LOVE to do, period.

Well said!? I can't wait, it should be a blast!? Sure, it is more fun when there are 200 boats, but I will be there regardless!

Seth V

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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2006, 02:49:23 PM »

Don't sell yourself short Heath. I believe you could give a lot of the big boys a run for their money. You always seem to figure a little something out.
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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2006, 05:10:54 PM »

I?m disappointed to read that most fishermen here think of the Michigan BFL as a cozy little bass club. Oh seventy boats will be just fine!? Wouldn?t want too many!? With such apathy I can see why FLW doesn?t bother with promotion. They know there going to get somewhere near 100 boats on average and it?s pointless to expect much more of the fisherman in the Michigan division.
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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2006, 08:34:20 PM »

What kind of things are you expecting from FLW to promote the BFL?
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Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2006, 12:14:55 AM »

I?m disappointed to read that most fishermen here think of the Michigan BFL as a cozy little bass club. Oh seventy boats will be just fine!? Wouldn?t want too many!? With such apathy I can see why FLW doesn?t bother with promotion. They know there going to get somewhere near 100 boats on average and it?s pointless to expect much more of the fisherman in the Michigan division.

I think you are coming across as overly harsh. I'm not sure why, but no one here sounds like they are saying what you are reading into. The point that should be obvious is that everyone has different/various expectations and reasons to fish or not to fish. That is always the challenge of putting on a circuit and trying to get the best draw that can be had. I also think everyone is pretty even in wanting to fish successful, clean and fair circuits too. We have had up to 192 boats in a Michigan BFL and averaged over 130 a few seasons ago. If you have promotional suggestions for Michigan, please call FLW Outdoors and share them.

I believe FLW Outdoors is trying to make the Michigan BFL a success. Anyone who is just upset because they won't hold all the tournaments where they want them too needs to remember again that this is a circuit for many anglers, not just those who want to just fish the same place every tournament.

FLW Outdoors tried all events on St. Clair/Erie already and it didn't work out well. You seem obviously unhappy about that and you have made your point. Other anglers here have made their points too.

This thread was started to provide information to those WHO DO WANT TO FISH this event. It has gotten long on discussions on the schedule likes and dislikes unrelated to information needed to fish the actual event.

I'm going to ask that any further discussion about the schedule, especially complaints, be done in new threads. This thread is to provide information to anglers who want to fish the Burt/Mullett event and need to know about the area, and specific services and locations.


The schedule is set and won't change this year. Only the final results will dictate whether moves were good or not, and what might happen in the coming seasons. I've always said if you aren't happy about something with a circuit, call the organizer up and tell them. They will listen, but will go with the apparent majority in the end whatever that ends up being. It's why FLW Outdoors does fish St. Clair, Detroit River, the Grand, and has not been back to Saginaw Bay in a while.

WAY TOO OFTEN, all these organizers such as FLW Outdoors hear are complaints. It is very refreshing and helpful when someone calls up and offers suggestions and ideas that show they have the same goal in mind - a successful tournament circuit with good draws. Good suggestions and help come from looking at the big picture, considering all the anglers and involved parties, listening to all sides and then making suggestions that seem to fit the best.

I've made many suggestions and sometimes they will say right away when one is not going to work. I listen to their reasons why and assume they are well thought out. FLW Outdoors is not just **deleted**footing around in the tournament world. I think they have a pretty good idea about how to make things happen, improve and generally know what they are doing. I also greatly appreciate that they call many anglers each season and ask their advice on issues with the 'local' circuit. Plenty of previous circuits have not done that.
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NEOFISH

Re: June 10, 2006 Burt/Mullett BFL Info for participants
« Reply #39 on: May 16, 2006, 01:33:47 AM »

I'd love to fish at Burt/Mullet or any of the fine Northern Michigan lakes, but not if it's going to be a very small field.? I'm going to start a new thread as Dan has asked.? Look for "Growing the BFL in Michigan".? It may take a couple of days to get all my facts together but I'll be back soon.
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