I am running the ROI Camp & Cruise Lakeshore Elite Series this year, I have 20years of tournament experience and have fished just about every tournament that has come and gone through the years! I am not going to make inflated statements to you guys about payouts or prizes in these tournaments - I will only give you facts and what will happen!not pipe dreams of the someday we might be able too's -Last year the ROI tournament were run POORLY ( I am not saying anything bad about what Luke was doing - He just didn't have the experience needed to run a tournament - He is better at getting sponsors participation) So here is the FACTS about this years ROI.
1. The best dam run tournament that I can do.
2. Keep it simple ( Sign-up -fish -weigh-in -win your money and have fun doing it )
3. Give back MORE MONEY than they paid in entry fees ie. over a 100% payback!!
4. Weigh-ins - will be consistant - and professional ran - that's what you and I expect.
5. I will not disrespect or talk trash about anyother tournament circut - No one intends to run a bad circuit some just do it better than others.
6. I will not take money out of the entry fees to pay for me running these tournaments. In my position the more guys come and fish and hopfully support the sponsor the more it will help me - ie. boats sales, service and accessories - that's were the gain is for myself.
So there you have it guys! plain and simple - I want the same as every guy out there - something better. With hard work I know that's what you will get.
Also Please support ( Lake Drives tournaments ) They are working very hard to give you guys a Great payout !!!! that's why you will see that their 3 tournaments and our 4 tournament do not over lap on each other - Between theirs and ours, guys will have a full years worth of great paying - well run tournaments.
Here here!!
See you in June Sterk.
Thanks Waterfoul !
PLease post schedule and/or links to website.
thanx
The schedule and website links should be posted by next week for you guys
Camp and Cruise is coming back to the Bass Cat family as a dealer....Are they going to give contigency money for guys that fish in a Bass Cat that came from Camp and Cruise??? ;D
My Jag came from Camp and Cruise...
the ROI Camp & Cruise Elite Series will be a BassCat Quest sponored events
Quest Summary: Quest is tournament incentive program at no cost to original owners of a 2000 model and newer Bass Cat boat. Quest is also available, for a $100.00 membership fee, to all other Bass Cat owners.
For owners of a 1999 model year and older Bass Cat boat, there is a membership fee of $100.00. This also applies for all transfers fees on Lifetime Warranty hulls, and those used boat owners. This membership lasts as long as you own this/your Bass Cat boat, there are no further fees or memberships.
There are two levels of Quest for 2009. The Double Up, and the standard Quest program, for Quest events with 60 participants or 30 Boats in team/draw competitions there will be a $250.00 incentive. Tournaments with 60 Boats in team/draw competitions and/or 120 anglers can accrue $500.00 for each tournament win under guidelines established below. Events with over 100 Boats and/or 200 anglers can achieve $1,000.00 in incentive monies. Each Owner may qualify for up to $2,000.00 or two major wins, in annual Quest incentives when participating in local and regional events, including the Double Up limit. Each Individual is qualified for two Double Up wins
Do you think you will hit 30 boats? And if you do can i pay for the quest money after the event? I would hate to pay the $100.00 to Bass Cat and never see 30 boats show up, it would be a waste of $100.00. If i am right ROI is the only Quest tournament in the area right.
Quote from: senkoluvr on December 21, 2009, 05:29:40 PM
Do you think you will hit 30 boats? And if you do can i pay for the quest money after the event? I would hate to pay the $100.00 to Bass Cat and never see 30 boats show up, it would be a waste of $100.00. If i am right ROI is the only Quest tournament in the area right.
thats were u will have to weigh your RETURN ON INVESTMENT ........it's optional..a choice...... ??? somehow senkoluvr i feel that u own a ...... ???RANGER ???........just a geuss?If u buy a new cat u won't have to pay any money ;D
I have a 98 bass cat eyra. I can;t aford a new boat but would love to have a new Pantera Classic. Ranger is to high priced for my blood, Nice boat but not my kind of ride to slow!
I did not get a answer to the question grassmonkey do you know what the deal is?
ok senkoluvr,
I believe but can not confirm that ROI maybe the only BassCat Quest tournament in this area. I guess what that means is that that you should be talking with every guy you know, who has a BassCat to come fish the ROI tournaments, I know there are enough BassCat boats in this area to get to that 30 number with them alone not count everyone else who many have a different brand of boats. If you are getting me to come out and say how many boat we will draw at theses tournaments - sorry - I can't - it is up to you and the fellow bass anglers of west michigan to determined that.
Well, instead of asking how many boats we will get (not calling anyone out but it just seems to be a common thing to do for a lot of people) every angler interested in MAKING money should show up to the ROI Elite series on the lakeshore. The more guys that show up instead of saying "how many boats will you get" the more boats we will have. It's easy really. Show up to the tourney...bring your friends, add to the boat count. It's a great fishery (no matter where you choose to fish) and anyone can get on them and win. So come on out and fish!! ;D
I did not get a answer to the question grassmonkey do you know what the deal is?
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I do not now what the deal is
Quote from: senkoluvr on December 21, 2009, 05:29:40 PM
Do you think you will hit 30 boats? And if you do can i pay for the quest money after the event? I would hate to pay the $100.00 to Bass Cat and never see 30 boats show up, it would be a waste of $100.00. If i am right ROI is the only Quest tournament in the area right.
I wouldn't think they would let you pay the 100 bucks and file a quest claim after the fact...That would be like throwing your Ante in After you see your hand in Poker.....You could check with them to verify though...Your boat has to be registered in their Quest Database in order to qualify...
You can check out the Bass Cat website for other qualifying tournaments and more information on Quest....They have a link for Quest info....
Here is a line from the Quest regulations you may want to look into since Camp and Cruise is the title sponsor..
. Bass Cat title events or Bass Cat Dealer specific events (including various charity events) do not qualify for Sanctions or Incentives as those are already supported with product by Bass Cat Boats.These tournaments are "Automatically" in the Quest program with no action for approval required...
Tournaments under automatic Quest sanction as of this printing in 2009 are: Anglers Choice Teams and Couples, BASS Outdoors (Weekend) Series, Media Bass, 100% BASS, BassMaxx, Team Trails of Mississippi, BFL events, TBF State Championship Events, Internet (IBBT, BFHP & BBC) Rally's designated on website, and B.A.S.S. State Federation Championships,
Motocross:
this statement is true:
. Bass Cat title events or Bass Cat Dealer specific events (including various charity events) do not qualify for Sanctions or Incentives as those are already supported with product by Bass Cat Boats.
But Camp & Cruise is not supporting the ROI tournaments with any BassCat products
( YET!!! ) LOL
I willl call Ivan at Basscat tomorrow and find out for sure.
Will the Big Lake be open or closed for these tournaments? ???
Well senkolur that is the real question now!! I have wavered back and forth in my mind about what way to go - Leave Lake Michigan open or Close it /????
If I leave the big lake open will that keep some guys from coming - because they think they can't compete with guys who run.
Or if I close it - does it make the tournaments more even knowing that everyone has to fish the same lake.
What do you guys think? This should being interesting to hear and cause a huge debate over LOL
I VOTE FOR OPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GRAND RIVER TOURNEY IS LAUNCHING OUT OF HARBOR ISLAND WHICH IS MAYBE A 10 min. RIDE TO LAKE MICHIGAN. NOT TO MENTION IT WILL BE GOOD PRACTICE FOR WHEN THE BFL COMES BACK IN 2011 8).
RUNNING IS A CONCIOUS DECISION AND ANYONE WITH A BOAT HAS THE CHOICE - the arguement can flipped around as well guys with the smaller boats can go in places the bigger boats can't so where does it end.
I say close it. That will get the guys that dont want to or cant (due to small, old, cheap) boats that cant or shouldnt even think about going out on lake michigan. Dont get me wrong, I think that if you can run and win a tourney from a different lake than that is the smart thing to do but i am guessing that most guys dont have the boat to do it. I for one have a smaller boat and dont think I should be out on the big water no matter what. So I say close it to the lake you are fishing.
this is the ROI LAKESHORE ELITE series leave all possibilities OPEN for the guys that need there training wheels on there will be ROI tournaments on inland lakes ;D
Open for sure. You don't have to run to win. Ask Neilson.
senkoluvr if your boat is not quest registered you should consider doing so...There is other quest sanctioned toournaments in the state that you are eligible for quest money in if you are registered...all quest sanctioned tournaments are posted on the basscat web site...also boat doesnt have to be purchased from a specific dealer to qualify for quest money. just has to be quest registered...
Quote from: Return On Investment Outdoors on December 27, 2009, 12:21:36 AM
I VOTE FOR OPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GRAND RIVER TOURNEY IS LAUNCHING OUT OF HARBOR ISLAND WHICH IS MAYBE A 10 min. RIDE TO LAKE MICHIGAN. NOT TO MENTION IT WILL BE GOOD PRACTICE FOR WHEN THE BFL COMES BACK IN 2011 8).
RUNNING IS A CONCIOUS DECISION AND ANYONE WITH A BOAT HAS THE CHOICE - the arguement can flipped around as well guys with the smaller boats can go in places the bigger boats can't so where does it end.
I thought ROI was about protecting the lakes and the fish? Conservation minded. Why do you guys think Places like the Grand and Mona are down compaired to what they used to be, I think it is from to many tears of fish being taken from those lakes and not returning!
I don't care if it is open or not just wondering.
I think your dreaming if you think very many have run from Muskegon to portage. I think all lakes cycle. White lake used to be big on smallies. there were times when if you didn't run out of the grand you couldn't probably win or place and seven years later if you didn't run to the grand the other was true. I have did this game for 33 years fishing bass tournaments. I say close the big lake and keep every one on an even playing field. on the west side we have that opportunity which they don't have on the east side because of the vast rivers and lakes all connected on the east side.
Dick
Well if the lake is going to be closed then there is NO reason to launch from Harbor Island for the Grand tourney. The ramp at the entrance to Stearns Bayou (an indian name which escapes me at the monent) is a better ramp anyway. And cheaper!
Keep it open! Especially on the Grand. If you are gonna launch dowtown Grand Haven you might as well let them run.
old jigger you been doing this longer than most of us have been alive. shoot you started when most boats still had oars...
Quote from: Waterfoul on December 27, 2009, 11:13:03 AM
So you're saying if you run, you cheat? I beg to differ.
Waterfoul makes a good point, Keeping the lake open increases the chance of a team cheating! Just ask Oldjigger he knows first hand..... He caught a couple of guys that were cheating.
Mac Bass
you were there two, in the 80's when Redman would pull 150 boats as a draw indiv, then team Mi would pull 150 as well as tri state with a waiting list full at 150.
Redman would start in Ind at wawasee, the Grand, Saginaw Bay, Muskegon, Wixom later replaced by St Clair. At that time there were more guys or equal from the west side fishing. but with todays schedule of BFL and all tourneys over there It's definitly an east side tourney whom fish smallies all the time.
this is always fun but it doesn't represent the all- around fisherman in Mi.
Maybe you should put up a pole and see what the percentage will be. Looks like 4 to 2 in favor of open right now.
I dont believe people will cheat any more or less whether its open or not. I know it probably happens somewhere but I like to think most tournament anglers are trustworthy.
Quote from: senkoluvr on December 27, 2009, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: Waterfoul on December 27, 2009, 11:13:03 AM
So you're saying if you run, you cheat? I beg to differ.
Waterfoul makes a good point, Keeping the lake open increases the chance of a team cheating! Just ask Oldjigger he knows first hand..... He caught a couple of guys that were cheating.
If a guy is going to cheat he is going to cheat no matter what body of water the tournament is on; until someone has the money to put cameramen on every single boat and uses instant reply to review every fish caught we will have to rely on the fact that most the guys participating are sportsmen. Like JB just said - it happens but most tournament anglers trustworthy.
If water is connected it should be fair game; if you close of a certain area with the goal of "leveling the playing field" then why not close off areas like T-Cove because it isn't fair for the bigger boats that can't get into those tight areas. Running has it's risks and rewards - it costs a TON of money in wear and tear, fuel, and time lost. Closing of Lake Michigan CONNECTED waters to "Level the playing field" only amplifies potential problems; what about the guys that can't run up river on the Grand, or get into shallow areas? If you have a jet boat then you should be able to use it, if you have a 22 footer with a 300HP you should be able to use it as well.
From a conservation standpoint if a fish gets taken from Mona and released at Muskegon it does affect Mona negatively but affects Muskegon positively so it equals out. What about all the BASS & FLW tourneys they have on fisheries with locks? They don't discriminate because the fish still live. If water connects and you can get there without getting out of your boat then it should be fair game.
All that said I know the Tournament Director Chad Sterkenburg will make the best decision with only the best interests of putting together the best tournament possible for us.
you are right old jigger i was there and i figure i can catch just as good of fish on muskegon as i can in the grand or white. and dont have to run to do it...and it is a lot safer also just have to pick and choose your day to run....but you just put all the smaller boats at a disadvantage....because common sense will take over and there isnt a green thing that swims wirth taking a life for....and again if there is 150 boats you have to run because muskegon will get awful smalll in a hurry...but you need to walk before you run....
If you let them run why go to 4 differant lakes, just go back to muskegon then let them go where they want, It just gets back to the ROI part of the tournament Return On Investment. Fishing a 12 boat tournament against someone that is going to run 30 or 40 miles and have a lake to themselves is not smart economics you pay 2 spots on 12 boats looks like you are fishing for 2ND place to start the tournament.....
I think that if you are trying to bring a new group of guys to fish the lakeshore shuting the lake off would get some new blood to fish your tournaments.
You have to do things other than "BIG PAYBACKS" to get guys to fish, You have to look at the guy that may not win a dime all year, what dose he want in a tournament.
I hope that you do not make the same mistake as most all the tournaments in the area by listening to just a small group of friends to make decisions look at what the tournaments around you are doing wrong and do the opposite. and don't let your personal opinion make the decision for you. Talk to some of the guys that have been around for years like Dick, he has seen a lot more than most of you will ever see he is a wealth of tournament knowledge.
senkoluvr you are correct if there is less than 50 boats why run...if you get to the point the lake starts fishing small because of to many entries open it up....but at this time it doesnt seem to be an issue...
Quote from: sterk149 on December 19, 2009, 10:12:01 AM
I am running the ROI Camp & Cruise Lakeshore Elite Series this year, I have 20years of tournament experience and have fished just about every tournament that has come and gone through the years! I am not going to make inflated statements to you guys about payouts or prizes in these tournaments - I will only give you facts and what will happen!not pipe dreams of the someday we might be able too's -Last year the ROI tournament were run POORLY ( I am not saying anything bad about what Luke was doing - He just didn't have the experience needed to run a tournament - He is better at getting sponsors participation) So here is the FACTS about this years ROI.
1. The best dam run tournament that I can do.
2. Keep it simple ( Sign-up -fish -weigh-in -win your money and have fun doing it )
3. Give back MORE MONEY than they paid in entry fees ie. over a 100% payback!!
4. Weigh-ins - will be consistant - and professional ran - that's what you and I expect.
5. I will not disrespect or talk trash about anyother tournament circut - No one intends to run a bad circuit some just do it better than others.
6. I will not take money out of the entry fees to pay for me running these tournaments. In my position the more guys come and fish and hopfully support the sponsor the more it will help me - ie. boats sales, service and accessories - that's were the gain is for myself.
So there you have it guys! plain and simple - I want the same as every guy out there - something better. With hard work I know that's what you will get.
Also Please support ( Lake Drives tournaments ) They are working very hard to give you guys a Great payout !!!! that's why you will see that their 3 tournaments and our 4 tournament do not over lap on each other - Between theirs and ours, guys will have a full years worth of great paying - well run tournaments.
ROI Outdoors presnts
Camp & Cruise Lakeshore Elite Series
$90 Entry Fee with an Optional $10 Big Bass
$81 pays back per entry
$ 9 goes towards the Classic Fund
Paying 1 for 6 entries paid
$10 Membership
Go to www.roioutdoors.com to see the full payback table or open the attached word document.
This is a 100% + Pay –Back tournament circuit
Ice Mountain Team of the Year Award = $1000
*At the first tournament of the year 1 lucky team will be drawn for $2500 "Rigging Your Boat Right Prize"
1. Minn Kota 80# 24V Fortrexx
2. Humminbird 798SI Fishfind/GPS
And this is just the beginning of what ROI has planned for this year: The will be gift certificates and other prizes to be won at every tournament.
I'm not saying anything to put down or bash anybody or organization but with all the talk about 100% payout I think that is bit misleading. What it should say is 90% payout at the ramp. When everyone talks about payouts they always talkabout the payout at the ramp. If you are going to praise 100% + payout lets take Alick at the rest of the tournament circuits. BBT pays out around 70%at the ramp and 90% if you count the classic and then add in all the prizes and its 100%+. NBAA pays out 70% at the ramp and well over 100% if you include the classic. Same with BFL, etc. I remember CATT payed out 90% at the ramp and gave away a boat at the classic which would make them well over the 100%. I just think it should be stated that its a 90% payout instead of a 100% payout on the flyer. I also think this makes it like most of the other tournaments out there other than Little more payout at the ramp and less at the classic than most. YES THESE ARE MY OPINIONS AND DONT TAKE THEM THE WRONG WAY. Just stating some facts that need to be cleared up. I know Chad is doing all this for free and I appreciate that I just think it should be stated correctly.
JB
BBT pays 63% at the ramp and 83% when its all said and done. They pocket some decent cash for running that circuit. From what I can tell BBT counts all the prizes (probably all free from sponsers) that most guys dont want as part of the payout and pockets the cash. Someone on here also said that Russ and the 4 guys that help run these tournaments fish for free. This puts that number up to 70% at the ramp but in reality its 63%.
Quote from: TCook on December 28, 2009, 02:03:00 PM
BBT pays 63% at the ramp and 83% when its all said and done. They pocket some decent cash for running that circuit. From what I can tell BBT counts all the prizes (probably all free from sponsers) that most guys dont want as part of the payout and pockets the cash. Someone on here also said that Russ and the 4 guys that help run these tournaments fish for free. This puts that number up to 70% at the ramp but in reality its 63%.
Ok BBT is a little less but you get my point.
JohnBoy,
I down loaded the attachment : The tournament pay out table : and this series seems to be paying out way more money - not just a little more ( on a $90 tournament ) than anyone else I can find, anywhere though-out Michigan. As for the stated 100% + pay out - I can't find anywhere that they posted that said it was at the ramp. The flyer on the attachment shows where all the money is going, and who else has a $10 membership - I don't want to sound like I am talking for the ROI guys but DAM it sure looks like their trying hard to make a good tournament " Thanks Guys "
Yes it does look like they are trying run a good circuit. All Im saying is if these other tournament circuits put on their flyers that they payout 100%+ they would be hammered for doing so. No it doesnt say at the ramp but when most circuits put what they payout it is at the ramp. If you want to get right down to it then NBAA pays out way more than any tournement circuit in Michigan. If you want to talk about at the ramp then ROI would be right there. I wasnt saying they dont pay out more at the ramp because they do, all I was saying is they only payout 90% at the ramp and it should state that.
Thanks guys for ALL the various responses to the pay-out table :
I think we are heading in the right direction and it is still way early in the year!
I would love to be able to state 100% + payout at the ramp ( That is MY Goal ) for those of you wondering.
I want to have a fully sponsored Classic!!! at this point it can't be done. but with HARD work and a lot of determination it will be.
right now this is the best i can do.
Now that is a really good response. Nice job.
Quote from: Monkey-Man on December 28, 2009, 02:36:40 PM
JohnBoy,
I down loaded the attachment : The tournament pay out table : and this series seems to be paying out way more money - not just a little more ( on a $90 tournament ) than anyone else I can find, anywhere though-out Michigan. As for the stated 100% + pay out - I can't find anywhere that they posted that said it was at the ramp. The flyer on the attachment shows where all the money is going, and who else has a $10 membership - I don't want to sound like I am talking for the ROI guys but DAM it sure looks like their trying hard to make a good tournament " Thanks Guys "
Exactly the point that ROI has been trying to make, that no one seems to want to believe.
BELIEVE!!
Hey guys,
The ROI website has been updated with a lot of new info and a new look, its not completely finished yet, there will be more changes to it to come - things are heading in the right direction - working hard for you guys.
Quote from: oldjigger on December 27, 2009, 03:52:17 PM
Mac Bass
you were there two, in the 80's when Redman would pull 150 boats as a draw indiv, then team Mi would pull 150 as well as tri state with a waiting list full at 150.
Redman would start in Ind at wawasee, the Grand, Saginaw Bay, Muskegon, Wixom later replaced by St Clair. At that time there were more guys or equal from the west side fishing. but with todays schedule of BFL and all tourneys over there It's definitly an east side tourney whom fish smallies all the time.
this is always fun but it doesn't represent the all- around fisherman in Mi.
I remember those days..We used to get all of the Redman and vienna sausages that we could ever use at check in.... ;D.....Don't forget the Coldwater chain...My buddy cashed a check there with 6lbs.... :o
I remember the days of fishing the Grand and everyone would run to Muskegon and then we would go to Muskegon and everyone would run to Mona, White, or the Grand.....I agree with you on the BFL schedule and I only live 20 mins from LSC...We fished the Grand on my first year back and I really enjoyed flipping and pitching for LM for a change...
I do think the westside tournaments should have open running if safety permits but that is just my opinion and I am not running the tourneys...Either way and whatever decision it is fair to everyone because everyone has to fish the same conditions....I just like the added options...
Quote from: sterk149 on December 30, 2009, 10:15:21 AM
Hey guys,
The ROI website has been updated with a lot of new info and a new look, its not completely finished yet, there will be more changes to it to come - things are heading in the right direction - working hard for you guys.
Looks the same to me Chad.
Hmmm... looks better now! Not sure what was up this morning.
Your computer, maybe your work and even some of the computers along the way on the Internet save a copy (cached) version of pages you've look are recently, so often when you access the same page again, sometimes for up to a week, you are looking at a copy of the page, not the original on the remote web server.
You can try to force a refresh - to reload the page from the web server, but some networks have in-between servers that won't let you easily do that to save time and bandwidth. There are also differences between some of the browsers in how they cache pages and for how long.
I have 'cache-buster' code on some of my pages or parts of pages, but there are many things that happen along the way of delivery of a web page. What you see isn't always the same as what someone else sees depending on your situation. Some work networks / proxy servers don't update previous loaded pages for as long as a week apart.
Quote from: djkimmel on December 31, 2009, 12:22:25 AM
Your computer, maybe your work and even some of the computers along the way on the Internet save a copy (cached) version of pages you've look are recently, so often when you access the same page again, sometimes for up to a week, you are looking at a copy of the page, not the original on the remote web server.
You can try to force a refresh - to reload the page from the web server, but some networks have in-between servers that won't let you easily do that to save time and bandwidth. There are also differences between some of the browsers in how they cache pages and for how long.
I have 'cache-buster' code on some of my pages or parts of pages, but there are many things that happen along the way of delivery of a web page. What you see isn't always the same as what someone else sees depending on your situation. Some work networks / proxy servers don't update previous loaded pages for as long as a week apart.
Man that just makes me feel like a complete idiot, didnt understand a word. :D :D
That's okay. I have to have other people do most of my car repair or fix my lawnmower... or my furnace. I can't figure that stuff out...
Don't miss out on the the "rigging your boat right" prize to be GIVIN away to anyone who fishes the first tournament on muskegon lake May 30th
the "rigging your boat right" is
1. Humminbird 798SICI with nav. bundle
2 Minn Kota fortrex 80# 24v
This is a $2500 package In which 1 lucky angler will win in a drawing.
So put this tournament on your calendar you won't want to miss this one. keep checking back with us as we lineup more giveaways for you guys.
Is this tourney pre register only, or can anyone just show up the day of it? I cant ask for the day off, but if they accidently give it to me, i'll be there.
Just give chad a call Mike.
Quote from: sterk149 on January 20, 2010, 11:49:16 AM
Don't miss out on the the "rigging your boat right" prize to be GIVIN away to anyone who fishes the first tournament on muskegon lake May 30th
the "rigging your boat right" is
1. Humminbird 798SICI with nav. bundle
2 Minn Kota fortrex 80# 24v
This is a $2500 package In which 1 lucky angler will win in a drawing.
So put this tournament on your calendar you won't want to miss this one. keep checking back with us as we lineup more giveaways for you guys.
Pretty sure I'll be there...fish'n Muskegon the day after so why not???
Good to hear that!!! looking forward to having a lot of fun that day!!