this is just brilliant:
http://www.bassfan.com/Opinion_article.asp?ID=112
Comments please!
McCarter himself :-\'
Interesting artical. Although I haven't heard alot of fisherman claiming they could be a "PRO" if they felt like it. In fact I don't know anyone who thinks they can compete on that level unless they are already doing so. Sounds like the guy might have woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
My opinion
He has won $800 in three years. Is that a pro?
I agree with several points he made, one was about bedding fish.
where I learned to bass fish (california) it was taboo in the bass clubs to pull fish off beds intentionaly and there were many gripes when peaple did.
I came to michigan and found alot of beds, I fished my first spring of tournaments here staying away from the beds only to have guys crush me with 20lb bags of bedding fish, I then thought about how many beds there realy were plus deep beds, I then did some reading and read some things that made me feel like I wasnt realy going to kill the bass population by removing bedding fish.
as the sport of bass fishing increases in popularity so does the pressure and the fisheries are holding up very well and I know ALOT of guys bed fish so now I bed fish in tournaments, I also have changed a few other tactics/courtesies to improve my chances tournament fishing.
Im at a point where Ive realised that a tournament is just that "a tournament", we dont meet at lunch sip tea and share spots, ITS A COMPETITION!!!! all is fair as long as its within the rules!!
I also agree about pulling the trigger and putting your behind on the line and risking financial ruin, I couldnt agree more with how he worded it.
now lets get to his pro stats....HOLY COW THIS GUY SUCKS AT FISHING!
he was a co angler in 2005 and won $750 in 1 tournament and has fished the tour for 3 years as a boater and only won $100, theres money everywhere and some tournaments pay $5k down to 100th place.
HOW DOES THIS GUY DESERVE TO HAVE HIS OPPINION OF PROS HEARD??????? :D :D :D
and where is he getting all that money to finance a losing investment? ::)
either way it was a good post mccarter.
WOW! That was interesting. I agree with Dan, somebody peed in his Cheerios! I just think he believes he has the right to bash some people that think they are as good as the pro angler but are afraid to try for fear of "financial ruin" since he has taken that step. Quite an angry guy, how would you like to draw him as your "pro" for a tournament day?
I guess so, thats probably why the guy's in such a bad mood. However, how do you only catch 3 small fish on TOHO in 2 day's? Maybe he should put his cane pole down and quit walking the bank?
I have no problem with what was said. Just with who was saying it. Making a living off of fishing makes you a pro. Not because you have enough disposable income to enter top level tournaments. He has no credibility as a "pro" But good luck to him in the future it is a tough business to survive in.
Since he is a retired military man I would like to thank him for his service to our country. Thank You Sir.
You dont attain the highest enlisted rank in the Army without paying some dues and making some sacrifices.
In this case he bought his own freedom to have his own opinions and speak them freely.
As for the comments he made, who hasnt thought or said any one of those at some point in time? On either side of the argument? Pro or not.
I wont argue he could use a bit more credibility to drive his points home. Valid points nonetheless.
B
I think most of u have missed the point in a huge way.
Quote from: McCarter on July 08, 2008, 01:29:42 PM
I think most of u have missed the point in a huge way.
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If you mean the point of some people being critical of what someone else does or how they do it, without being willing to make the sacrifices themselves to show that they can do it better, I get that. I rescind my earlier comments.
Enlighten us with the point, as you see it.
B
Personally...
I always thought it was nanna nanna boo boo... ???
poo poo seems too dirty. I'd probably have said neener neener instead. Seems to fit the mood of the piece better?
i lke " nanna nanna na nanna " myself.
i can't belive the resentment on this board and the other board of the Pros in town. They are here chasing a dream because FLW brought them here. i have been listening to them for 3 days. they would rather be somewhere else. Both pros i pre-fished with burned over 100.00 a day in gas and would not take money from me. they had to buy hundreds of dollars of tackle just for her. they don't get a lot for free like everyone thinkd. i could not give them any info.
let them fish there tourny and move on. they will not be back next year.
steve smith
commerce, mi
I don't resent them... I'm jealous of a number of them... I figure I can always learn more from anglers who are fortunate to fish so much (bums!!! ;D) I know I will be taking about a 1,000 pictures Friday - Sunday.
Yeah! What Dan said, except for the pictures part. I wish I had that kind of resources and ability to do what they do.
Id rather not. I cant seem to find a friendly way of putting what i want to. So you guys just keep ripping on the guy. I dont know him so whatever. I would like to say that if anyone of us ever do make the leap into the pros, i would hope people wouldnt trash any of you just becuase you dont win any money. Nevermind the hard work you put into it, the endless hours on the road, the time spent away from your families, the shame that is sometimes associated with begging for sponsor money. But then most of you would probably take the tours by storm.
How ironic...
:-*
McCarter himself :-\'
Ummm, not everyone trashed him... and I think you need a hug (just not from me, but from someone... it might be helpful if you forgot about the other posters' reactions for now and explained anyway what you expected just from the article - I thought since he made some partial attempt at humor and I understood that part, I'd respond with my own partial attempt at humor -sorry)
His main point seemed to be we should have more conflict. Even if we have to invent it somewhat maybe. He made other points as he went off in several different directions, but his main point did make him seem bored and needing to lash out a little at the nameless pressures and happenings surrounding the high level of the sport.
That's fine. There's freedom of speach and all that... which also means others are free to speak out in reaction to his words... which he should expect and actually maybe enjoy if he means what he said in his main point. All the other side points were extraneous lashing out for the various reasons he felt he needed to lash out. Some in humor but there was almost a meanness too. He may be perfectly confident and sound in his life, but he may also be very frustrated and disappointed... or maybe (probably) somewhere in between. He took some shots at people too. You do that, you're going to take some shots back. It is inevitable.
That's my freedom of speach and I disagree somewhat with his main point. I agree that some conflict is inevitable and happens, and we probably shouldn't sweep it under the rug as if it never happened (which I don't think we do that bad anyway although people who thrive on that will of course disagree). I just hope he doesn't think we need to invent conflict to make us seem 'more legitimate.' Can you just picture KVD featured on the front cover of the Enquirer in some fake scandal? "VanDam Pics - Unnatural relationship with largemouth bass in remote wetland!!!!!" ?!?
I will have a hard time being convinced we need to emulate Paris Hilton to improve the presence of bass tournaments with the general public ('Roland Martin Sex Tape Discovered!!!' yaargh). We might as well start just having reality show votes on who wins the tournament (I'd start from lowest to highest): "Modrak... you ARE the veakest link! GudBYE!!"
I hope that isn't what he wants, but it was hard to tell when he went off and started poking at people who are saying the things that people have said for years all over and will continue to say regardless. It's what people do (some). I don't have any firsthand knowledge of why he's finished how he has, and I've had similar things said about me over the years too by people who often were saying things because of their own issues rather than issues really with/about me, but as far as what he wrote, I'm frankly a little surprised Bassfan printed in the form they did. I normally expect Bassfan to be publishing things that have a more clear and productive point? I think it could have been a interesting article if it had stuck to one point.
Ok so im chiming in on this and im not sure what this guys deal is he makes some valid points but over all I think hes gonna go postal on a tourney. the pros have my respect these guys are masters if you think you can hang jump on board. hey its just money you cant take it with you! i have the burn inside to be a pro someday, im pretty much a newbie ive been doing this for like 6 years but i feel that you cant just live at one place and think your a stick! i have enough confidence in my ability that i can go to any lake and put 5 in the box. sometimes im wrong(burt&mulllet) you know how low you feel when you watch that many 20lb bags come in and you weigh 2 fish???? you can always say i lost this and that but thats the game! (if anyones interested im sure not i had a 20lb bag on) oh well thats fishing not catching. but what does that low do to you? it makes you want it even more. thats what the pros have that alot of the local smokies dont. a burning desire that i WILL beat anyone that steps on the water no matter when or where! i dont know im rambling on?? these men put there whole livelyhood at risk everyday to be the best. im sure theres more than one of them eating ramon noodles everynight for dinner!! cant even afford the 99 cent menu. not really sure with where i went with that whole topic but oh well. its all about contraversy right? someone need to give him spellcheck too!-skeeterman-oh ps to that man for keeping our country free and letting us have conversations about this.
Evidently the guy has some ability just to survive on tour, maybe he's a good spokesman for his sponsor(s). I'm sure it was a case where he was tired of hearing the things he went off about. However, he must be doing something right to be a published columnist on BassFan, and maybe he just had an off day when he wrote that. Not everyone on tour makes a living off of the tour, very few do. Like I said in a previous post, I wish I had the resources and ability those guy's have, and when I say ability, I'm not just talking fishing abilities, I mean the abillity to spend 8 to 10 months on the road fishing tourney's and speaking at promo's. I have a hard enough time leaving for a 2 day let alone for a month at a time without worrying about how my family is doing.
for everything that there is in the world, not everyone is good at everything, you either got it or you dont, i dont mean this post to be mean or anything but i think most of you would agree with me
Here's a direct quote from the article:
"The first is, "These weekend guys fish just as well or better than the 'pros' (always in quotes), they just prefer to have a day job, don't have the money, blah, blah, blah."
And another:
"These other weekend guys may fish just as well as the 'pros,' but the fact is, they either don't have the guts to pull the trigger, or they lack the talent to raise the money. "
What I find humorous (and somewhat ironic) about this (and believe me I am NOT knocking this guy for his service to the country -I support all of our servicemen and women and thank them every chance I can-, I'm only making an obervation based on what I read) is that he, as a retired Command Sergeant Major, is receiving a full pension - a guaranteed paycheck every month. Don't knock weekend warriors for not having the guts or for lacking the talent to raise the money, when, in fact, you are getting a paycheck regardless of your own ability or record as a "pro" (sorry, I couldn't resist putting pro in quotes). This leads me to ask the question...why didn't he become a pro before he retired from the military and before he received a pension? Guts? Or, maybe he preferred to have a day job? Or, he had responsibilities that prevented him from becoming a full-time pro? Hmmmm...
Yeah, he, just like other touring pros, have the expenses associated with traveling, practicing, etc., but how many of those other touring pros have a guaranteed income coming in monthly (some? a few?). God Bless the guy for his service, and yes, he is deserving of all of the benefits he gets as a retired service person, but, is he gambling with his financial future as much as the other guys (who just happened to quit hanging sheetrock) on tour? Sure, his pension is probably no where near the amount of money it takes to becoming a touring pro, but, it's a heck of a lot more than what most of those guys with "the guts to pull the trigger" have...
I do have to give the guy credit though, he created some "controversy" and got his name out there. Which may, or may not, be a good thing...
I think the second paragraph in the article says hes amused by people who think everyone else has to view fishing with the same passion as they do . I agree with him in this aspect , I'm constantly amazed by people who try to turn something as simple as fishing or hunting into a way of defining who they are . I don't think he meant he personally was putting his but on the line as much as he was talking about the PRO's in general . I'm sure there's PRO's living paycheck to paycheck and going without things we take for granted , like sleeping in our own bed each nite and seeing our loved-ones on a regular basis . Mostly I think he was commenting on the state of fishing at the Pro level and how its changed . It's no longer about who can catch the most fish but more so about who can get more air time on TV or represent a company the best . I don't see many "good-ole-boys " with wads of chew , bad teeth and a plumbers crack showing everytime they bend over on TV . I am surprised by instead of judging his message some people formed a opinion of him personally . Don't kill the messenger because you dont like the message , or his opinions .
thank you!
I guess I shouldn't take so long to get to my own point - which was since he started out one way and drifted off in several unrelated directions I'm not exactly sure what he wanted to accomplish, which usually leads to a lot of different comments too. Maybe that is all he wanted to accomplish? When you write something that annoys people, they often resort to shooting the messenger.
The sport is changing and evolving. If you know someone who is trying to be a pro while surviving on beanie weanies and charging up all their credit cards, you know the challenges and frustration if you talk to them. Things have to change AND people ALWAYS have difficulty with change. I'm no different. There's comfort in things staying the same, but they don't. The way of things.
I agree with Dan...His article was more of a rant than being well thought out...
I also agree it is really easy to talk smack about puting your butt on the line when you are a retired CSM with a gauranteed paycheck.And it is even worse than that because he is currently a DOD employee so in essence he is Double dipping...When you are that 20 something year old kid with a wife and family it isn't so easy to quit that decent job..
If you can pay the entry fees (And have a new Ranger) you can fish the FLW tour PERIOD...(This is not a Knock on the guys fishing the tour just a fact)..If he wants to impress me then he would have to show me some numbers in the BFL, Stren, etc..He is basically buying his way on to the tour..He hasn't paid his dues in the BFL or Strens and that shows up in his results on the tour.
There are alot of guys in this area good enough to go on the tour but they aren't willing to take a chance on hurting their family in the process...I would say that is a smart call, not a matter of not having guts...
His comments about the environment were ignorant and made little or no sense at all..Basically from his comments to hell with the environment and safety as long as it is within the rules and he catches a big bag...Good image for tournament fisherman to have.
The rest of the Article he spends bashing the weekend fisherman that may not have the financial means to fish the "Big tourneys"..
I am sorry McCarter but I was obviously not impressed with his views or his article...He has the right to have them printed but I totally disagree and you asked for our opinions..
He sounds like a retired CSM from the MPs....And that statement comes from first hand knowledge.....LOL ;D
One more comment on this...If this guy would have included ways to improve the situations he disliked I would have bought more into it...Instaed he wrote a slashing article with no solutions...Anyone can do that..even me ;D
I am sorry to beat this thread around one more time but I had some thoughts on all the reponses. I may get massacred for this but the way I see it everyone on this board is a Pro in some respect.
We all spend more time with fishing than our families would like. We pour over maps when we can't get out to practice. Organize and reorganize tackle. Have travel expenses and rising fuel costs. Put limits on the board when things go right, and shake our head wondering what we could have done differently when they don't. Cash checks at tournaments when we place in the money (Not big checks, but it is better than sitting on the couch and watching someone else cash em.)
We have sponsors. We all carry a professional attitude of ethics both on and off the water. We all have certain techniques we have mastered and seem to be able to make them work no matter what body of water we are on, and most of us are willing to talk to others for hours about those techniques.
To tell you the truth I would rather sit and listen to some of you give a seminar than some of the sleepers I have been through with some of the "Pro" fishermen. We all have a boat, some of us have one that would rival any "Pro". We make ourselves available for the fishing shows during the off-season.
Most of us have fished in at least one Classic. Some of us compete in tournaments that contain a couple hundred boats easy, on multiple days on waters that are measured in miles of water not just acres.
The way I see it, it is all in your attitude about how you see yourself. If you see yourself as a professional in the sport you will have that same winning attitude as the guys who have been blessed with the ability to go out there week after week and do the same thing we do week after week. We just do it on a smaller scale without the cameras.
Nicely put. I'm impressed!
;) As one of my tournament directors once put it. "If you have ever won a dollar fishing you are a pro"
That was his rule for helping to shut the whiners up. He would announce this at the morning meeting and ask for a hand raise if you had never won at least $1 at a tournament. If you raised your hand he would make sure that you just became a pro!
Now getting to the point of this guys writings. I believe after reading the posts on this site, I see the majority of the comments were responded to by the same mentality that he was talking about.
Before I become the controversial jerk here, I mean that as McCarter put it, "you missed the big picture."
:-[I see that a few of you jumped right to the history of this man and saw his FLW statistics. How many of you know this man and how many other circuits he has fished? How many of you know that he hasn't had accomplishments that are probably just as valued as the BM Classic or the FW Cup or the FLW Championship.
There are many other circuits out there. There are many other circuits that are just as valued by the competitors that the big two on TV are. Don't let the big money and TV shows be the guidelines for what a professional is. Eric Bond defined these things.
This guy was making a statement about the smack talk. You turned around and did the same thing he just wrote about.
Granted most of us know our limitations and responsibilities. Yes, there are some of you here that I know would try to make a go of it if you had the chance.
Others of you only dare to dream of it. Then there are some who talked the talk and couldn't walk the walk.
If Robert Hamilton made the same commentary, would you have felt the same way? I don't think he ever won a dollar in any FLW sponsored events.
springlakebassman put it the best:The way I see it, it is all in your attitude about how you see yourself. If you see yourself as a professional in the sport you will have that same winning attitude as the guys who have been blessed with the ability to go out there week after week and do the same thing we do week after week. We just do it on a smaller scale without the cameras.
I look forward to one of you being a big name out there some time. Afterwards, just wait until you show up to fish a local tourney with some of the old guys and see how you get treated.
Dan used the term jealousy and I agree. Envy is on that big "no no" list of life.
There are three kinds of people in the world:
1. Those that watch the world go around
2. Those that let the world go around
3. Those that make the world go around
Which one are you?
Today I am no better than the rest of you for posting on this topic.