Fine levied at Northern Open (http://www.bassmaster.com/news/fine-levied-northern-open)
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – Nate Wellman, winner of the Bass Pro Shops Bassmaster Northern Open on Lake Erie last week, has been penalized for rules violations during the tournament.
B.A.S.S. officials today released the following statement:
"Bassmaster Elite Series angler Nate Wellman has been fined and placed on a one-year probation due to violation of B.A.S.S. tournament rule 3(vii), which prohibits 'suggesting to another competitor that he violate these (B.A.S.S.) rules.' After an investigation, B.A.S.S. officials found that the outcome of the tournament and the final results were in no way compromised and did not result in changes to the final standings of the Bassmaster Northern Open on Lake Erie. The fine monies will be donated to the Ohio B.A.S.S. Federation Nation to support its conservation efforts."
Read complete story on Bassmaster.com (http://www.bassmaster.com/news/fine-levied-northern-open).
Let this be some kind of lesson to everyone - boaters NEVER 'joke' about rules violations or bring them up in any way - there is no 'what if' in these cases if we want the sport to be taken seriously and prosper. Non-boaters - you must always take this seriously and report it and any boater who 'jokes' about such a thing should expect that you are going to report it. I will back you up no matter what some people say because there is ZERO room for this kind of behavior and the major, smart circuits know that even if some individuals aren't smart enough or don't have enough scruples to know it!
The word on BBC and facebook is Wellman was not joking and seriously tried to buy his coanglers 4#+ fish on day 3 to improve his bag. He supposedly asked 4 times throughout the day and went into detail about moving location to exchange fish and getting the Co 1k from his dad back at the weigh-in. What a boneheaded decision on Nate's part...
Since I wasn't there I will only go as far as saying he did admit 'joking' about it and that alone is enough to be punished by whatever the rules allow. All boaters should know better. It is a terrible place to put the co-angler in. I know I felt horrible for days after it happened to me. I almost quit tournament fishing because of it and one earlier incident.
I can't believe BASS didn't DQ him. Kind of like BASS knew they had to do something, but didn't want to attract too much attention. A big thumb's up to the co-angler for doing what is right.
don't think thats grounds for DQ'ing him. the guy wasn't thinkin' straight for sure. its goin' to hurt his ranks for getting his name out there on the circuit. first year in the big times. ouch!
it does put a damper on the sport that a few our trying hard to get this more popularize and expand its audience.
i hope in the future we see a few more mich. guys in the spotlight along w/KVD, stricker, ferguson, balog, etc.. and lets get some of these big time events back up here on mich. waters..
I don't believe I have seen anywhere that this was reported before the protest cutoff. I am wondering if it went down the way it did because it was reported late. Having been through this scenario myself years ago, that was my first impression about how it unfolded. I have idea if that is accurate. Just a guess. I'm not going to second guess B.A.S.S. or anyone else on how it happened or went down without having been there and not knowing the details that only they have.
It's bad for the sport anytime something like this happens, but it does help to have a public statement and punishment as occurred. I think there happens to be a lot of personal feelings mixed up in this topic, and a lot of second guessing by people who do not have all the facts that B.A.S.S. had when they made the decision.
My belief is there were some issues that the rest of us are not aware that took this process out of the normal DQ or don't DQ process leading to a creative exception that will still, as you point out, be felt by Nate for a long time even though it doesn't make some people happy.
I don't have a personal stock in this issue other than wanting to see people not break rules or even joke about breaking them. That is good for the sport.
DK, you missed your calling. I think you should have gotten into politics. Still not too late... You'd get my vote.
I don't like to lie so I think I'm disqualified from politics...
Quote from: Dan on September 05, 2011, 09:49:06 PM
DK, you missed your calling. I think you should have gotten into politics. Still not too late... You'd get my vote.
DJKimmel = Bass Fishing's Fred Trost ;)
Quote from: Mojo on September 03, 2011, 09:13:47 PM
How is this bad for the sport? They acted appropriately when brought to their attention. it was co anglers word vs boater, and I think they can't remove a winner because of that.
NASCAR never removes a winner but fines and puts em on probation allot. The embarrassment and loss of friendships sponsors etc will devastate him enough.
i didn't say "bad", i mentioned damper on the sport. its just usually all the bad crap that gets printed in the papers. so i leave at that.
i'm sayin' the guy will have this hangin' over him for a while and hope lesson is learned and he moves on.
i'm cool w/the fine & probation and feel B.A.S.S. did the responsible thing.
DK: "other than wanting to see people not break rules or even joke about breaking them. That is good for the sport."
Well said and nough said.
BASS knows he tried to buy the guys fish.....and they only fined him? I dunno about that, sounds like he should be banned for life..........If there was any question in BASS mind that he didnt try to cheat they wouldnt have issued the fine, doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me
Its obvious Wellman tried to buy his co's fish and everyone knows it including BASS. Not to mention this puts the idea in everyones head that it probably was not the first time he attempted to do so. Even though he should have been DQd and banned for life and only got a slap on the wrist the damage has been done for his career. He will lose all his sponsors, all respect, and be blackballed from the tournament scene. Its no different than putting fish on a stringer or sticking weights down a fishes gullet. He attempted to cheat and steal his fellow anglers money and a classic berth. Wellmans bass fishing career is over!!
http://www.bassfan.com/docktalk.asp
and he has already posted the details of his win on his website... http://natewellman.com (http://natewellman.com)
Ya know things aren't good when someone starts a facebook page that says Ban Nate Wellman :o
In the United States of America, one is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law. Since this will never go to court, we will never really know that Nate Wellman is guilty of cheating. All you have is one man's word against another man's word. Nate Wellman made his statement and admitted what he did. He was fined accordingly and put on probation in one organization. In another organization, he was suspended for the rest of 2011 and 2012. So far I have not seen any statements made by any of his sponsors. So as of now, he hasn't lost anything except opportunity in the future until 2013. Is that enough??? And who are we to judge a man that we didn't see actually commit this infraction. I wasn't in the boat with him.............were you?? So I can't say that he did or didn't commit an infraction punishable by whatever means. Like all men, he deserves the benefit of the doubt and definitely another chance. Sad that this happened and I am sure Nate Wellman regrets his actions. We should all just forgive and forget and move on. I am sure God has already forgiven him. I know I have.
BD ;D
Well said BD. This is the last I'm going to discuss this myself. If you want a good level reporting that really covers the incident listen to Mark Jeffries Bass Talk Live from today. They have it archived at this link. http://www.basstalklive.com/replays.htm
Good interview and good perspective I think. It's worth watching. Thank you for sharing the link.
I watched this video. Nate Wellman is definitely regretting the whole situation and he is embarrassed. I think that's enough punishment for one man to endure. I can't believe people would say that his whole career is over because of one incident that did not even disqualify him from the tournament. I think FLW is a little rough on him. He did nothing wrong in that organization. He shouldn't be punished for doing nothing. Seems absurd to me that he would be punished in another organization more severely than the organization that the incident took place in for something that didn't occur there. And where is it so "obvious" that he actually did offer to buy his co-angler's fish?? I wasn't in the boat with him. Were you?? And I certainly hope his career is NOT over. He may have a family he needs to support. I am sure he has embarrassed them enough with this incident as well. He still has a very promising career in my mind. The only ones that actually knew what Wellman's intent was were Wellman himself and the co-angler. The other question that is in my mind is where did he "cheat"?? The only way that there would have been actual cheating was if the co-angler actually sold him the fish. He didn't so no cheating took place. None of the results of the tournament were influenced by this incident.
Rational thought and some common sense goes a long way here. None of these opinions really have much merit including my own. Bottomline is Nate Wellman is regretful and embarrassed. Enough punishment for one man. As I said before, I think the Lord has forgiven him. I know I have.
BD ;D
It just proves that you cannot and should not even joke about these rules. Anglers can't afford to do it and the tournament organizations can't afford to have anglers do it. I think anglers at all levels should already know this, but especially at the top level where so much is at stake.
Nate has admitted enough himself to show that the co-angler had to report what happened and leave it up to B.A.S.S. to decide what, if anything, to do about it. Anyone who calls the co-angler anything other than unfortunate doesn't care enough about bass tournaments.
FLW knows as much as B.A.S.S. does that certain things cannot be allowed to pass without some action, and they are competing with B.A.S.S. Should be no surprise that they did something in this situation.
It is very common for other tournaments groups to act in a situation involving the rules for something like this that happens in another organization. Anyone who wonders why should reread my three paragraphs above until they don't wonder anymore.
I don't questions B.A.S.S.' decision because I wasn't there and I don't have the level of knowledge and involvement that the three parties did. I don't doubt for a moment that B.A.S.S. didn't know what was coming to some extent, and they know that sometimes, things that are reported by anglers late don't get any action or are handled completely private in some other manner. Some we never hear about at all.
I don't know either angler personally. I don't already like or dislike either angler from any personal experience with one or the other as some do. What I care about is the integrity of the sport of bass tournament fishing. I believe that does mean action was required in this case. Action was taken and it was made public, at least partly in an attempt to warn others not to make the same mistake. Because the sport does not need it!
To me personally, that is, and will have to be, good enough.
Quote from: djkimmel on September 11, 2011, 01:46:16 AM
It just proves that you cannot and should not even joke about these rules. Anglers can't afford to do it and the tournament organizations can't afford to have anglers do it. I think anglers at all levels should already know this, but especially at the top level where so much is at stake.
This is politically correct stuff that occurred after September 11, 2001. Because of that day, we have all had to change our lives and sometimes jokes are really not jokes. The rules are there for good reason and they should be taken very seriously especially when there is so much at stake.
Quote from: djkimmel on September 11, 2011, 01:46:16 AM
Nate has admitted enough himself to show that the co-angler had to report what happened and leave it up to B.A.S.S. to decide what, if anything, to do about it. Anyone who calls the co-angler anything other than unfortunate doesn't care enough about bass tournaments.
My post previous to this one was only meant to stir the mind. Get people thinking rationally. Although common sense doesn't seem to be so common, in good conscience I think we would have all done the same thing as the co-angler did that day. That's what keeps integrity in the sport. That is super important on the Tournament Trail. People care about a lot of things, but its surprising sometimes just what they care about. A lot of people don't care about bass fishing, tournaments, the weather, etc., etc. Some people may call the co-angler a "rat". I only said that to stir the mind as there are a lot of other perspectives beside yours, mine, the forums, the whole country. We are fortunate to be free men and can talk about these things rationally.
Quote from: djkimmel on September 11, 2011, 01:46:16 AM
FLW knows as much as B.A.S.S. does that certain things cannot be allowed to pass without some action, and they are competing with B.A.S.S. Should be no surprise that they did something in this situation.
FLW wants credible people in their organization as B.A.S.S. wants credible people in theirs. Yes they are competing organizations, but I am a little surprised that FLW did act on the issue. Of course I really don't know of such things and rely on DK's expertise here. Thanks DK, I appreciate that.
Quote from: djkimmel on September 11, 2011, 01:46:16 AM
It is very common for other tournaments groups to act in a situation involving the rules for something like this that happens in another organization. Anyone who wonders why should reread my three paragraphs above until they don't wonder anymore.
This is probably true in fishing but I know of no other organization that would do this. If anyone can name another incident where there were two organizations in one sport besides fishing I would like to know. I am trying to think of where this may of happened in professional football between the NFL and the CFL. More investigation here on my part.
Quote from: djkimmel on September 11, 2011, 01:46:16 AM
I don't questions B.A.S.S.' decision because I wasn't there and I don't have the level of knowledge and involvement that the three parties did. I don't doubt for a moment that B.A.S.S. didn't know what was coming to some extent, and they know that sometimes, things that are reported by anglers late don't get any action or are handled completely private in some other manner. Some we never hear about at all.
B.A.S.S. did what they had to do to keep the integrity of their organization. FLW followed suit. They want to do the same. I guess this shouldn't be surprising. But I did raise my eye brow when they came down with disciplinary action too.
Quote from: djkimmel on September 11, 2011, 01:46:16 AM
I don't know either angler personally. I don't already like or dislike either angler from any personal experience with one or the other as some do. What I care about is the integrity of the sport of bass tournament fishing. I believe that does mean action was required in this case. Action was taken and it was made public, at least partly in an attempt to warn others not to make the same mistake. Because the sport does not need it!
No sport needs this today. In the world of professional sports, integrity and credibility mean a lot. Especially since more and more kids are watching. We all want good role models for kids. What happened here is not the message I want to send my kids. I want them to win and participate fair and square. Credibility and integrity should be their most prize possession. Very important as they grow and enter the business world.
Quote from: djkimmel on September 11, 2011, 01:46:16 AM
To me personally, that is, and will have to be, good enough.
Good enough for me too DK. Your post was well said and in a nutshell, was right on the money.
BD ;D
Where can I get some of that Kool Aid?
Kool Aid is for kids...
I wouldn't waste time taking it personally. I'm not going to let it get personal either.
Lots of people across the Internet have various personal motives in this topic which makes it that much more of a hot topic. You probably are not aware of most of that because you aren't from the West side of the state nor have you fished the tournaments that would make you aware of the myriad side-issues fanning the flames of an incident that was unfortunate enough all by itself. I'm not going to get into details on this site about them either. There are plenty of places still for people to go who want to spend their time that way.
No one likes to feel they may have been cheated but there's more than that going on because of some history and the various people involved and/or possibly affected.
People can debate whether the punishment was enough forever but it has been meted out. The punishment might not be exactly what everyone wants but it is pretty severe considering the publicity, the distrust from a large number of people, possibly forever including many who barely knew he existed before, and the loss of even being able to compete in one whole tournament organization for over a year (and possibly forever).
The punishment goes way beyond a fine and probation obviously. As long as I've known who he was I know he's wanted to be a full-time tournament angler really bad. He still could lose all that permanently within the next year. He's already lost quite a bit of opportunity. That seems like a pretty serious punishment to me. Some people do come back from things like this and some don't.
Just what do you mean by that?? ??? ???
BD. ;D
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Nothing personal or offensive. If I was ever going to try to be personal or offensive, I would do it privately. Can't imagine I ever would try to be, but if I was, it would be between you and I, not the whole universe. I don't think I would want it done to me, so I would never do it to anyone else. I get on the forums and facebook etc to have fun.
Notice I didn't say I was joking. I wanted to, but I was afraid you'd go looking for my dad to collect a grand from him.
I feel bad for his dad now the whole world knows he walks around with that much cash in his pocket.
Quote from: dartag on September 13, 2011, 03:19:22 PM
I feel bad for his dad now the whole world knows he walks around with that much cash in his pocket.
I was thinking the same thing... that's a whole story in itself.
BD, jealousy is not really one of the major issues in this case.
It was a much hotter topic, and still is on some other websites. Been pretty tame on here actually.
" And a message to his sponsors if you read these forums, "The UAWBigDog supports Nate Wellman. Please don't pull your sponsorships and support him."
If you read who his main sponsor is he will have no problem.
Quote from: djkimmel on September 13, 2011, 12:30:56 AM
Lots of people across the Internet have various personal motives in this topic which makes it that much more of a hot topic. You probably are not aware of most of that because you aren't from the West side of the state nor have you fished the tournaments that would make you aware of the myriad side-issues fanning the flames of an incident that was unfortunate enough all by itself. I'm not going to get into details on this site about them either. There are plenty of places still for people to go who want to spend their time that way.
No one likes to feel they may have been cheated but there's more than that going on because of some history and the various people involved and/or possibly affected.
Dan - You may not want to get personal but, the way I'm reading it, you just indicated that Nate Wellman has a history of doing this kind of stuff or at least similar stuff. Just an observation.
I can see looking at it how it could be interpreted different ways.
My intention and meaning was not about pre-existing feelings or unknowns. What I did mean is that many people have strong feelings about Nate that existed before this tournament. I don't know anything about him personally but I sure do know that there are lots of strong feelings about him among quite a few anglers. That is no secret to many West side anglers, or anglers who have been around the higher level tournaments for any length of time. Lots of strong emotions. Not much ambivalence.
When people feel strongly one way or the other about someone, some will let that color their actions / decisions. When you're running tournaments, you can't act based on whether you like one party more or less than the other. You act based on the actual incident and the rules. You cannot have a successful tournament organization if you play favorites or rule inconsistently based on how you feel about anyone either.
When I was involved in running tournaments years ago, I was involved with others in making decisions several times that were very tough. All of them were made based on the rules and the known information, not on how I felt about the people involved before any particular incident.
No one does like to feel like they have been cheated, so there are some people out there, who like me, believe it should just come down to what is known. It should just come down to the rules, what happened in this incident and what B.A.S.S. did about it, not how anyone feels about any of the involved parties.
I do not doubt that some people think this one incident was enough to at least require a DQ because people don't like to feel cheated ever, but some people seem to be acting the way they are because of how they feel about Nate. Some people seem to be acting the way they are because they know and/or are sticking up for the co-angler or think he was a snitch, and some seem to be acting the way they are because because of how they feel about the 2nd place boater.
I have no knowledge of, or have seen or heard any evidence of any other rules issue involving Nate besides this one, so that is all I'm going by. I assumed from the beginning that the incident was reported after the event was over and that is possibly why it turned out the way it did simply because I have seen how B.A.S.S. often rules, and because I have been through a very similar situation personally. I'm not going to hammer at B.A.S.S. or the co-angler for how things turned out. I know how miserable I was when I went through my version of this years ago.
I stated from the very beginning that I felt B.A.S.S. did what they could based on what was known to them and when it was reported, and also that publicizing it was important as reminder that the sport cannot afford to allow the rules to be broken or taken lightly. That's it for me.
Based on the people who have told me things over the years and some of the really strong reactions, some of what has been said on various websites definitely appears to me to be driven by personal feelings about one party or another that existed before the incident, not the actual infraction. That's all I meant and I can see why some people will not be aware that these other things are driving some of this behavior.
I've watched this thread and have avoided judging a situation I had no first hand knowledge of. It seems it might be time to close, or let this topic rest.
I realize there are many here that have made very few mistakes and as non-celebrities our mistakes are not news or very memorable. ;) This issue needs to be left to the individual to correct and overcome.
DD
Quote from: UAWBigDog on September 10, 2011, 10:01:16 AM
And where is it so "obvious" that he actually did offer to buy his co-angler's fish?? I wasn't in the boat with him. Were you?? And I certainly hope his career is NOT over. He still has a very promising career in my mind. Maybe the co-angler was just a "jealous rat". "Jealous" because Wellman is a professional fisherman and he gets to fish every day and a "rat" because he is nothing more than a "tattle tale". The only ones that actually knew what Wellman's intent was were Wellman himself and the co-angler. The other question that is in my mind is where did he "cheat"?? The only way that there would have been actual cheating was if the co-angler actually sold him the fish. None of the results of the tournament were influenced by this incident. None of these opinions really have much merit including my own. BD ;D
And you just open up and remove all doubt ..... I just couldnt disagree more with this post.
I had the pleasure to draw Joe this weekend on day 1 of the Michigan BFL so this isnt hersay - its from the horses mouth.... He is clearly none of the words you supposed. He is soft spoken, thoroughly worked areas and helped me stay on fish even when he couldnt get the same bite I was getting. He is a quality person. He was a man put in a very regretfull position. On the cruise back in through metro canal after we fished, he thanked me for not asking or prying.. then and we talked. And what happened afterwards. Things you dont hear about.
He told me this well known successful boater asked him not once or twice but 4 times to buy his fish, and the last time was the documented, "we can go out in the middle of the lake and swap" , "noone will see", and "my dad has thousands right now". There is his INTENT .... Wellman had a PLAN and even though it was less than an hour, it was premeditated. Thats called cheating, and this tactic is not new. Had Joe taken the money, the results would have been influenced AND NOONE WOULD HAVE KNOWN. Doesn't that make you wonder how many other co-anglers "earned" $1000 from Wellman ??? How many other boaters lost $10,000s to him (difference between first and second is always huge) ?? So thats why the FLW took their actions ...
Joe is now a boater, affected by this because of mouthy opinionated jack behindes who emailed and called him a bunch of names .... kinda like what you wrote............ I call Joe a hero. Cause it takes courage to be a hero. I wonder what Joe would say if he were on this stand up website ? What would you "speculate" about him if he were here ?
So like I said, but with fact, I disagree with your post.
Hello all. I wanted to thank MOJO for the kind words about me and also ask bigdog why he would call me a rat or better yet a "tattle tell" I used to love to call the kids on the playground tattle tell when I was SEVEN!
I never had a doubt that Nate was not joking. He was very serious with his offer and I was never jealous. I own my own business which allows me to work from home and pretty much fish when I want. So, the thought of me being jealous of nate is not even close to accurate.
We are supposed to judge those that break the rules. I had to say something or I would have broke the rules. I honestly thought this was over, but still people are going to have their say in what the rules clearly outline as an infraction.
he admitted to a rules violation and the fines have been levied.
Good day and thank you for your time.
BB67
Ray Scott weighed in on this. And these words written to Joe are all the vindication he needs:
http://www.bassfan.com/rayscott_article.asp?ID=73
"As for Nate Wellman, I still hope he takes a polygraph for his own sake. I would gladly pay for it, although Joe Stois has already beaten me to that offer. I understand he still wants to take one himself. Stois is the one clear winner in this incident. I have had the pleasure of talking with him and I know a straight shooter when I hear one. He is my hero and I told him so. It took a lot of guts to do what he did. He was not only scared; he hated doing what he had to do. But it was the rule. In my book he displayed the kind of integrity that built the B.A.S.S. Tournament Trail.
It took years to win the public's trust in regard to competitive fishing. B.A.S.S. blazed that trail. But this incident is a reminder that this trust is a victory that has to be won over and over again through constant vigilance and constant, even ruthless, enforcement of rules, as untidy and inconvenient as it may be to do so..."
Dang, I like this Ray Scott guy, who is he ? Anyone help me ? We seem to think alot alike .................
It has always appeared to me that most people were supportive of Joe. I would just go with the majority who are supportive and ignore the few who don't seem to understand why we have these rules.
It also appears to me that enough unfortunate things have been written and I think it is time to rest the topic for a little bit here. I really don't want it to end up a few people taking pot shots at each other. Won't change things or improve things here anymore than it has on other websites that it has already happened on.